I don't use Adobe premiere, that's a video editing software. They want like $50 bucks a month to run it. I don't edit video so I don't need it.
I'm getting ready to install and upgrade the RAM, I'm going to upgrade to a 16gb 2400 AMP kit, the PCPP recommended GSkill XMP RAM is crap, I can't OC my system on it. I'm gonna throw a 260X discrete vid card in it. 260X is the highest you want to go to work in conjunction with the 7850's GPU. Recommended by AMD is a minimum 250 card, but if you got the extra bones you can go 250X, 260, or 260X. I'm also gonna attempt to flash my system for the first time as well, and get everything up to date and to speed. I'll post my results soon after if I don't nix it. :P
Exactly my point, he's going to want to eventually... We all do. :P
Everything appears compatible, except I don't care for the PSU's wattage, sounds like it's gonna be pulling some juice with bells and whistles and all. If it we're me I'd shell out the extra bones for the 750/850 Supernova Gold, that's my only gripe on your list there.
For lights, try Superbiiz... And watch your *** ordering from Amazon.
Have fun bro.
The standard dimensions for an ATX motherboard is; 12 × 9.6 in (305 × 244 mm)
Just keep your receipts, in case you need to download it again. All OS's have an access key, that key give you access to that disk or download at any time. I would check with Microsoft support on that one, I'm sure it's come up in a FAQ somewhere?
The fact is, is that hard drives crash, Microsoft knows this as we all know this, it would be unethical for them to take advantage of customer and charge them full price again for a download they already have a key for don't you think?
why is 3.O highly recommended for this?
Like I said, you get what you pay for.
Oh yeah, storage... WD Black FZEX1003 1TB was designed for awesomeness. ;)
I'd go A10-6800K, scrap the video card and use it to max out the RAM with a 2400 16gb kit and then pop in a discreet card to boost it later down the road.
Mobo? Gigabyte has an attractive FM2+ miniATX that will pack a lot of bang in your small case, whatever you choose.
PSU wise, 650/750 watts of Supernova will do you just fine. Optical drives, Pioneer BDK-2209 all the way.
That's what I got bro. :D
The best bang for the buck is gonna be an "off the shelf" system from Walmart.com, they have several offerings on Desktops and laptops at that price range. New Egg didn't have anything below that price that I saw.
The more RAM the more your gonna pay, and it also slims your options on a budget. Under the 350 mark your only gonna top out 4GB of RAM and it's gonna be 1333/1600 standard you bet. Add a 1TB drive on top of that and your really strectching the limits of the quality of the product. Ergo; Your gonna get what you pay for.
But since this is just a work computer your aunt doesn't need that much RAM, 4gb is enough to handle standard desktop work flow and still run Netflix and You Tube. What your aunt probably needs is effective storage more than she needs high performance. A basic off the shelf, bare bones system can do, in that price range that's what your looking at.
Here's a link to what options I found; http://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-Black-Aspire-XC-Series-AXC-603G-UW15-Desktop-PC-with-Intel-Pentium-J2900-Quad-Core-Processor-4GB-Memory-1TB-Hard-Drive-and-Windows-8.1/36998827
It has the respectable Intel Pentium J2900 Quad-Core processor
2.41GHz (up to 2.67GHz via Turbo boost), and features a 2MB Cache.
It has 4GB of DDR3 RAM that's upgradable up to 8GB, so she can upgrade in the future and grow with her needs.
It features a X16 DVD drive SuperMulti drive so she can watch movies and read and write CDs and DVDs in multiple formats
And it features Intel Graphics which are respectable, but not for highend gaming, and it's got a high speed Ethernet port.
If she needs a work horse, this will pull her cart. ;)
If you got the money, why the hell not? :D
Click on my profile and check out my build with the A10 7850K APU. If your into graphic design you might be interested in a CPU with a built in GPU for graphics design and rendering. It runs games at 1080p on low to medium settings by itself. Just be sure whatever RAM you get is AMP ready, makes setting your timeings easier.
Click on my profile and look at my set up, I play BF4, Theif, and Diablo 3. I have Windows 8 and it runs with no issues. The only thing about my build though is I recommend to be sure your RAM is AMP ready if you go with an AMD build.
You have no idea what your doing do you? :P
Save yourself some money and go to New Egg and just buy a complete set up, you can buy a complete gaming computer for that amount of money and save yourself some time and money.
You do have a tall order, and buying everything individually is going to cost you some bones. That and building a system alone takes time, that's our first and foremost concern is the internal build, (well mine anyway), most everything else that you listed are peripherals.
I chose AMD over Intel in the price vs. performance category. It is true that Intel offers the fastest of processors, but AMD can pretty much do the same thing at a more attractive price point. I recommend Intel for high performance gaming if you can afford it, if you can't afford it, you need a "working mans" processor, that's were AMD comes in.
There are two types of profiles for automatically adjusting your RAM, the old fashioned way was to enter your timings manually. Intel started integrating XMP profiles to simplify this process, it's taken AMD sometime to catch up to offer it's users the same capability. Most new boards should specify whether they are XMP/AMP ready, if your not sure be sure you ask. After you get everything set up, you can enter the Bios and you should find a field labeled AMP Profiles or something like that. It should have two or three different option for timing profiles you can activate.
The benefit is not having to enter your timings manually, it keeps it simple stupid and relieves headaches. :)
Turn off the computer.
Then keep striking the Delete key to enter the bios.
I'm not certain on your board, it could be the ESCAPE OR DELETE key, but I use the Delete Key to enter my bios on my Gigabyte board. My bios is set up to ask for a password to enter the Bios, so the OS has to stop and wait for me to enter my password before the Bios will allow the OS to proceed. If I want to enter my Bios I just tap the delete key right after entering my password.
But on your Asus, it may be a different scenario all together. Check the manual that came with your board or contact Asus if all else fails.
Good luck bro.
Okay your board is; The Asus M3A78-EM it supports AM2 AMD processors including the Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64, Athlon FX and Sempron series as well as the latest AM2+ AMD processors.
Well for one, do they even make AM2+'s anymore? If your gonna go Intel with something like an i7 get ready to lay out some dough bro. If it were me I'd swap out the cpu, mobo, and ram. If you want some performance vs. price, you can't beat a A10 6800K, slap it in an FM2+ mobo of your choice and toss in 8gb of AMP ready RAM, just be sure whatever mobo you get is AMP ready so it's easier to load the profile in your bios. If your on a budget, try to get the fastest RAM you can get, I recommend 2133 if you can swing it. Then get yourself a robust power supply, in case you didn't know, everything branches off the PSU, not the CPU/APU or what have U. You should have enough money to throw on a 1TB WD Black drive, just be sure it's an FZEX version, the rest are Caviar and Caviar sucks balls. Recommended video cards for this APU are discreet.
For a *****'n mechanical keyboard I'd look at Ducky and see what they got, they make the best most robust keyboards around and they also do custom orders.
Another thing you forgot to mention is what kind of PSU your running? Really can't stress enough the importance of your PSU bro.
So you want to build something for your DAW and audio interface right? Well brother do I have the set up for you.
I just built an AMD machine, you can check it out on my profile. I specifically built this machine for a DAW with the ability to do some light gaming with plenty of room to grow for extra storage.
I highly recommend an AMD build, specifically if you want to do it right the first time, go with an A10 7850K and build out from there. Now I know a lot of people got some hate for this chip, but this thing is wicked. For one it can play Mantel games pretty efficiently at about an average rate of 45fps on medium settings, that's pretty decent for just the APU, but if you want to boost it you can crossfire it with a discreet video card like the R7 250 or 260, but right now, I feel no need to do this myself. It runs just fine... So we got your BF4 covered there... Now...
One over looked and under appreciated virtue of the 7850K is it's True Audio capability. AMD's engineers are working with game designers and the likes of XBOX and Playstation to develop more audio engineer friendly hard/software that's HSA friendly. AMD lent an ear to listen to what these engineers had to say, so in response, AMD integrated a dedicated DSP core right onto the chip itself! If you know anything about recording audio you know what latency issues can arise when trying to record direct onto your DAW in Real Time. The A10 7850K is the first chip I ever heard of to incorporate a dedicated DSP core.
I run a Roland Octa Capture interface, it has a built in DSP core as well, in conjunction with the 7850K's DSP I have had no latency issues, none, nada, zip, zero, my set up plays like a dream and sounds pro on the mix down. For home studio recording, the 7850K will serve you well. I got mine mounted on a Gigabyte Sniper A88X, it has a built in sound card with an amp for Christ sake, and you can get different ones to suit your tone as well. It runs on the RealTek 898 Codec, and according to Linus Tech Tips (You Tube), the sound quality was compared to a $2000 dollar DAC and was judged to be equal in audio quality.
With dual DSP's and the DSP and Codec of the sound card I can monitor right off my computer without the need for a DAC where I feel when such conversion occurs is more likely to cause latency issues because only the most expensive of DACs have DSP's to begin with... I don't know what the big deal is with DAC's anyway? Analog is going out of style like vinyl. :P
Be sure you run this sucker with a minimum of 8gb of AMP ready RAM, don't buy the RAM I got. I'm getting ready to buy a 16gb kit direct from AMD. GSkill is good, but be sure it's AMP ready. Load up your OS and other software on a couple of 1TB hard drives and your ready to rock. PSU wise, I recommend an 80Gold EVGA 750 watt or better, it's more than all the power you will ever need yes, but I bought mine because it's a robust power house and has the best warranty out there.
Well that's my run down bro... What kind of interface are you running if I may ask?
Have fun. :D
Yep, it can run like two CPU's and quad GPU's, I probably won't be doing any expansion on it like that though, I bought this PSU specifically because of it's robustness and warranty. It's one of the best on the market and worth the money. I've been running it for over a month now and I've had no issues with it at all.
Still haven't worked out the RAM issue, I contacted AMD and they recommended AMP RAM the F5 Bios has profiles for that, so it's plug and play. I don't want to attempt to update the Bios until I get the right hardware. I'm probably gonna upgrade to a 16GB kit of 2400, the A88X can handle 2400mhz RAM, you can find it on AMD website for like 240 bones.
I'll update once I get everything situated, this has been a learning process for me, so if I can give any advice it would be to be sure you talk to the manufacturers about your parts selection before you buy so you can make sure it's all compatible. Don't trust PCPP compatible lists, those are not accurate and very generalized. Just because it's listed to work, does not necessarily mean it's compatible.
Thanks. I know it's blasphemy as AMD colors are Red and Black, but the green LED fans match the mobo, and that green separator line on the mobo accent's the whole scheme nicely. I see a lot of people don't pay much attention to the scheme because a lot of them get thrown under a desk, well this is sitting up on top of my desk and I just wanted something that looked *****'n when it was running.
I got a few things to take care of, but I'm gonna attempt to update the BIOS in a few weeks. I'll keep ya posted.
I just built mine, I'm holding off on the gpu until I run it through it's paces. I hear a lot of talk about what kind of video card you can use with this thing, well from what I read you can use an R7 250/260 to enable dual graphics in your BIOS. Anything more powerful than that will override the GPU in the APU and the entire GPU load will be put on your video card.
The 7850K I have on my computer is giving me a real nice image at 30fps at 1080P, movies and videos scale is excellent, paired with a R7 discrete graphics card it should bump that fps up to 45+ @1080P,... That's all you need bro. Anything more than that is overkill and defeats the purpose of your APU. Remember Mantel and HSA are on the way!
Sometimes it's better to roll with the flow bro's.
Oh, just one more note. This is my first PC build. If you have any info or solutions to the Snipers RAM reading problems I'd appreciate your feed back there chief. :D
Whoa!...Why are you going with an FX/AM3?... Uh, in case ya'll haven't been keeping up with the news AMD is phasing out it's entire line of FX/AM3 processors and mobo's so you may want to think twice about an FX/AM3 build. There putting everything into MANTEL/HSA architecture and that's just over the horizon. Also, I don't get why your using an 8 core processor with 8gb of 1600 RAM?... Seems kinda redundant to me. As for the hard drive... I would go WD Black/Caviar all the way. That drive is designed for gaming, Blue is designed for general generic storage not gaming.
Here's my recommendation...
AMD A10-7850K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor $169.99
Gigabyte GA-G1.Sniper A88X ATX FM2+ $99.98
G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 $72.99
Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM $74.99
Asus Radeon R9 270X 2GB DirectCU II $179.00
EVGA 650W ATX12V / EPS12V $81.23
Less your case.............................. The grand total is $651.95
(S/H not included)
The price between an AM3 and an FM2 build is nominal... And worth the small extra expense to build a future proof system that you won't have to worry about upgrading to soon in the next year and half or so... Notes; The RAM I recommend is 2133/CAS 10 which will squeeze all the juice out of the 7850K's built in R7 internal graphics performance. The Black Hard drive speaks for itself in performance as well, at 7200rpm w/ 64mb of cache, we're talk'n seamless and *****'n performance. If you think you need it, which I doubt you will, the ASUS Radeon R9270X, is all the video card you will need with this baby for a looooooong time! The EVGA Power supply features the best rating and 10yr warranty in the business backed by solid GOLD RATED Super Flower Technology and Johnny Guru 9.9 approval rating!
There's your 45fps+ @1080p. But if you go FX/AM3 your gonna hurt yourself bro. :/
As far as I understand... All A10 APU's will fit into an FM2 Socket. If a 6800K will fit, so will a 7850K, I'm not understanding why you think you need to upgrade your mobo?
XFX Gold... Good PSU, I was looking hard at that one before I went with an EVGA.
That PSU will run it no problem. It's got FOUR 6+2 connectors... You do know what 6+2 adds up to right?
See your problem is that your trying to run dedicated graphics cards on an APU designed to run with discrete graphics cards. That's the whole beauty of the A10 series from the Richlands to the Kaveri's, you don't need a supercharged dedicated graphics card, so yes you can run a card for under $250 bones and get a decent frame rate at 45fps.
Look at the Kaveri builds and other 6800k builds and talk to a few of the people who have built them and get an idea of what they did, don't be afraid to ask bro... That's how I picked up on the 7850K... I'm collecting parts for my build and I'm two or three paychecks away from finally building the sucker! :D
When in doubt... I always look towards the horizon of the new industry standard. For AMD, the FM2/FM2+ Platform is where everything seems headed in the future with MANTEL/HSA software.
Most all FM2/FM2+ Mobo's are Crossfire ready... but if AMD has anything to say about it... The b.s. idea of having their fans having to crosswise their video cards to play a game is being targeted by AMD to make it a past time you can tell your grand kids about when back in the good ol'days we had to Crossfire our video cards, you young'in got it made with your fancy integrated CPU/GPU/APU/FU! :P
Find yourself an ATX A88X board you can afford and run with it while you can, but the idea with FM2 is that you don't have to run so far to get affordable gaming performance bro.
You could upgrade the processor to the E8600 3.33ghz($53.45). That might up your performance a bit on the cheap. Any Intel Core2, or Pentium processor should be compatible with your board so long as it calls for LGA775.
Per your mobo description it's cross fire ready, which means you can probably get a cheap/discrete video card to run on your system, finding one that is compatible might be a pain but I'm sure you can score a couple cheap and run them Crosswise, but that wouldn't be wise economically so go with just the one.
The problem I see is the DDR2 1066 RAM, 1066 IS PRETTY MUCH OBSOLETE, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS YOUR MOBO IS ALSO OBSOLETE OR ON IT'S WAY OUT, even if you upgrade your processor and video card don't expect anything to blow your hat off in terms of speed or frame rates. What I suggest you do is go with a new mobo, cpu, and ram... Better yet... If your on a budget you can get yourself a nice tower or notebook computer at Aarron's for like 50 bucks a month and have it paid off within a year. If your on a budget and don't have the bones to spend, don't b.s. yourself trying to build one, you'll just hurt yourself. :P
This is your mobo description... You can tell right away that your kinda limited in what you can do with a 1066 board. Here's your boards specs in case anyone may need to know what you got...
ASUS P5K Deluxe LGA775 Intel P35 DDR2-1066 ATX Motherboard;...
CPU -Intel Core2 Quad / Core2 Extreme / Core2 Duo / Pentium Extreme / Pentium D / Pentium 4 Processors -LGA775 socket : Front Side Bus - 1333 / 1066 / 800 MHz Chipset - Intel P35 / ICH9R with Intel?Fast Memory Access Technology Memory : 4 x DIMM, max. 8GB, DDR2 1066/800 / 667 MHz, non-ECC, un-buffered memory -Dual channel memory architecture Expansion Slots -2 x PCI-E x16 (blue @ x16 mode, black @ x4 or x1 mode) supports CrossFire Technology -2 x PCI-E x1, 3 x PCI Southbridge - 6 x SATA 3.0 Gb/s ports JMicron JMB363 PATA and SATA controller - 1 x UltraDMA 133/100/66 for up to 2 PATA devices - 2 x External SATA 3.0 Gb/s port (SATA On-the-Go) - Supports SATA RAID 0,1 and JBOD LAN - Dual Gigabit LAN controllers, featuring AI NET2 - Marvell88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit LAN controllers - RealtekRTL8110SC PCI Gigabit LAN controller Wireless LAN - ASUS WiFi-AP Solo -54 Mbps IEEE 802.11g and backwards compatible with 11 Mbps IEEE 802.11b Audio - ADI AD1988B 8-channel High Definition Audio CODEC - Coaxial / Optical S/PDIF out ports at back I/O - ASUS Noise Filter IEEE 1394 - Agere FW322 1394a controller supports 2 x IEEE 1394a ports (one at midboard; one at back panel) USB - 10 x USB 2.0 ports (4 ports at mid-board, 6ports at back panel) Back Panel I/O Ports -1 x PS/2 Keyboard, 1 x S/PDIF Out (Coaxial + Optical) -2 x External SATA, 1 x IEEE1394a, 2 x RJ45 port -6 x USB 2.0/1.1, 1 x WiFi-AP Solo antenna jack, 8-channel Audio I/O Internal I/O Connectors -2 x USB connectors support additional 4 USB ports -1 x Floppy disk drive connector, 1 x IDE connector, 1 x COM connector -6 x SATA connectors, 1 x CPU Fan connector, 4 x Chassis Fan connector -1 x Power Fan connector, 1 x IEEE1394a connector, Front panel audio connector -1 x S/PDIF Out Header, Chassis Intrusion connector, CD audio in -24-pin ATX Power connector, 2 x 4-pin ATX 12V Power connector, System Panel(Q-Connector) Form Factor - ATX Form Factor, 12"x 9.6" (30.5cm x 24.4cm)
Try testing your fans independently on a spare PSU, if they run, that cheap PSU you bought is a POS... Get a Gold or Platinum unit, preferably 750 or better... don't b.s. yourself bro.
I'm building a Kaveri rig, but AMD offers other A10 options. You might want to give the A10 6800K a hard look, it's quite popular among gamers at the moment and has a built in GPU that you can upgrade with video cards in the future. Yet if you do it would make it moot, as the graphics card would take over the GPU in the APU.
I recommend a Kaveri with integrated R7 graphics. People are reporting 45 fps, which is way more than what the naysayers where trying to say that it couldn't break the 30 fps barrier, many a fool are eating those words now. With a discrete R7 or R9 graphics card it might break into that 60fps barrier your trying to reach. The whole idea of Kaveri is affordable gaming, it's the route I'm taking and I recommend everyone else on a budget to give it serious consideration when looking to build an economically viable system.
Well like he said... It's his first build. If you think he spent to much on building his system wait till I post what I'm building... It's gonna make you cry.
LOL! It's all good bro. XD
That's pretty impressive, I can't wait to try it out in my system! :-D
Genius build bro, one of the best I've seen so far. :-)
THE REASON FOR THE RISING COST OF RAM...
Apparently back in September of 2013 the South Korean based Hynix plant in Wuxi suffered a major fire... The price of the benchmark DDR3 2-gigabit dynamic random-access memory chip reached $2.27 yesterday, compared with $1.60 on Sept. 4 2013, the fire forced the closing of SK Hynix’s factory in Wuxi, according to DRAMeXchange, Asia’s largest market for the components. Icheon, South Korea-based SK Hynix expects to resume production on the fire-hit line next month. But basically like the price of gas, we won't see a reduction in price for sometime as SK Hynix catches up with demand.
Full articles here;
Note; I just noticed that this forum is dated March of 2013, and the price of RAM was already on the rise, thus if the fire happened back in September 2013... That doesn't look bode to well for the price of RAM to calm back down to sensible levels on the market anytime soon. :-P
Of course it's not the best, few people can afford to build the best, especially on a first time build! But it's the best he can do right now... Is that not good enough for you or something?
Stop the hate, and spread the love bro! :-P
Wow! That's way over the 30fps barrier! That's Awesome!!! What kind of card are you using??? I don't see it in your parts list? Are you just using the GPU on the chip itself??? Are you overclocking or what??? :-D
I would dump that PSU and get something plus 500w, preferably 650/750 if your gonna run a vid card. The CX can be problematic, reports of smoke and sparks is not uncommon on the forums about this particular unit. TX or RM's offer a lot of growth potential when you go to expand your system.
To take full advantage of your 7850K, I would get a good aftermarket CPU cooler as well like a Cooler Master TPC 812.
Anything more powerful than an R7 250/260/270 card will over power the GPU performance of a Kaveri according to AMD. It's mute at this point to install a more powerful GPU. Kaveri is designed to work with discrete graphics cards, not supercaligraphicalistic 3-Double D super cards! The logic of Kaveri is conservative, the philosophy of Kaveri is "Keep it simple stupid and affordable". :-P
Excellent! And the egg goes to Walmart! :-P
I think it's a pretty awesome build bro. I'm building a 7850K system myself. If it's working for you, don't worry so much about the opinions of others, take everything with a grain of salt. For the cost of your build, you did very well. However I agree you need a case with better cable management and airflow. I went with a Source 530, it's like a Phantom less the flair, full size case, plenty of cooling options and other features. It's a case you can grow with, the case you have now you can't grow so much your stuck with what you got, you can fit a micro in a Source 530 and have room for a case of beer!
Yeah you can roll over to Tom's Hardware or other forums and muck around while they snob your build, but at least here on the PCPP you get a pat on the back for the good job you did. Keep in mind that it is easy for others to be critical of your first build, especially if it's a budget build... But as long as you like it, and it works for you, that's all that matters. :-)
Oh, I here ya loud and clear bro, that's why I'm here. I appreciate your input and all. :-)
I might do that in the future, but for now I'm gonna play with this! :-)
I appreciate your candor... Yet let me share some wisdom with ya my brother. I'm no computer whiz kid, I'm more like what you would call a shade tree mechanic, I got me stacks of automotive manuals from Chilton's to Haynes! I can read them up to my hearts content but I will **** you not that even following the so called exacting instructions, details, and reviews you are always gonna have a WTF moment once your under the dang hood! Those manuals are not exacting as they portray themselves to be!... Building a computer is no different.
Buying parts for a computer is like choosing the right shocks for your pick up! "Are these here KYB's stiffer than these here Rancho's? Twin Tube or Mono tube? What Valving does this shock have? Which gives a smoother ride Gabriels or Monroes?" You don't know what performance your gonna get from those shocks until you put'm on and drive down the road... Personally I got Bilsteins on my truck. :-D
Wow! Learn something new every day! I agree with you on a lot of what you say, my reference to bottle necking was from reviews I've read concerning Kaveri. As for Windows, I meant 8.1, so pardon the typo. :-)
As for budget PC? I don't know what that means? My build is gonna shoot past a grand easy (hardly a budget build), I'm going Gold on the PSU coz I'm gonna over clock the hell out of that 7850K! For right now I'm gonna air cool for starters with a Mugen, but down the road I'm gonna smack it silly with a water cooler. ;-)
I feel your pain. My Mom brought me her computer, I cracked the case and it was posted on the mobo like a big middle finger... 4gb/1066...?... What the hell am I supposed to do with that???
I told her it was time to buy a new computer. Cheap Emachine garbage!
No worry's bro. IKEA usually is the go to place for cheap/quality furniture, if I was looking for a desk for 150 bones that's where I would go... But then again there's Walmart. :-P
Please site what is "wrong" oh wise one. :-)
Noctua's are the go to fan for shush performance, but damn there ugly. :-P