You can blame crypto-currency miners for the current shortage. Good luck finding RX 570/580 or GTX 1060/1070 cards right now.
Seems odd to me that the 480 would leapfrog the 390x since its launch. Admittedly, I have very poor example of a 390x card in my possession.
why? have you had issues with the define nano s?
The product page doesn't say anything about it and I don't have the computer anymore. Sorry can't help you.
You seemed to have missed the joke...
Ah I missed that in your description. I wonder if someone makes a filter that would sit perfectly between your input and the CPU fan, would make a nice shroud for your airflow, but it might get complicated to clean...
To be honest your temps are fine unless you are doing rendering or synthetic benchmarks like the small FTT prime95 load you'll likely never even get that high. Totally within the range of safety, the enthusiast in me wants lower temps and higher performance :)
As for the paste, most thermal interface materials (TIMs) are little understood by the community. I do not claim to be an expert in the area as there are so many variables between the solutions out there that you can't always be 100% best in class in every scenario. I just like that Gelid Extreme and have really good experience using it so I recommend it to others. I doubt a company like Noctua would have used an inferior paste on their product, so I doubt you have much to worry about.
That CPU intake fan is unfiltered isn't it?
I don't know, those CPU temps don't seem quite as low as they probably should be. I would personally pull the cooler and reapply some paste just to check. I don't know how the Noctua stock paste compares to something like my favorite Gelid Extreme paste but I would guess the Gelid would be more effective. I used that paste on my CPU and GPU and it lowered temps for both significantly.
If you can find it for that, get it. You can always downscale to lower resolutions, but you'll be able to see it on the display. It's clear that you want that monitor though, so go ahead and get it.
Well I would go with this one. I don't see 4k gaming being a thing until later this generation of cards or perhaps next generation. You are better off with a 1440p high refresh rate monitor with GSYNC support so you won't see tearing at the lower frame rates.
I would doubt very much that any current graphics card could reliably run 4k for future games much beyond six months out at decent framerates and quality settings. You'd be fine for now, but you wouldn't be in a very short time. I would go with 1440p personally.
I have the case, and I have a tough time recommending it to people. I got it so I could use a kraken x61 and hopefully isolate my GPU temps from everything else, but the case is ungainly at best. It can be difficult to build a clean system in it and I'm not sure it has compatibility for the coolers you mentioned.
Yes the V21 is lower quality, but having worked with the V1 I can say that it's good enough and not too bad.
Although this case is much larger than you would think from looking at pictures of it, I would say that it's a much better value overall than the similar Fractal Design Node 804.
Thank you sir. He is really enjoying the build and loves the performance it provides.
Remove the screws in the back and rotate it to where the fan is facing the inside of the case. It'll intake from the area below those white HDD mounts.
I personally went with a file cabinet in my build with the same case. I would rather go with the tile or board cover than flipping the PSU since it's overall better to intake cool air through the filtered intake than from the case. You wouldn't want to do that on carpet however since it suffocates the PSU and could lead to a system wide failure.
Better have that PSU intake pointing up on that carpet, either that or put it on a board/tile over the carpet to prevent overheating.
Either proposition does little good for me. I have a 390x and a FreeSync monitor. I think I am better waiting for the high end Vega cards. Who the hell knows what's going to go down with those things?
I would not bet on AMD Crossfire profiles. They are often late and have various bugs preventing good performance. You are better off with a single GPU like a 1070 for your money.
Nope. I doubt very much that the AIB cards will ever fall below the FE cards. Not while people are willing to pay the higher price or while the supply is so ridiculously short.
You should be banned for spreading such lies. Our overlords Nvidia, AMD, and Intel would never lie to get us to buy something from them.
Be gone with your filth!
Likely Nvidia was referring to "VR Performance" which is annoying and doesn't mean anything to those of use who aren't spending $800 to be an early adopter.
Fair enough. Could always go with a be quiet dark cooler but that may not be good for the color scheme overall. I have had a couple of Cryorig coolers and they look pretty slick as well.
I didn't see that you had de-lidded the CPU, I'm sure that helps quite a bit.
For sure, great little card. Glad you posted this, the finished build looks awesome!
m.2 SSD worked fine on the Gigabyte board, but didn't work on the original MSI B150M board that I had purchased. Works for his OS drive and is a major upgrade over not having an SSD at all. I didn't notice any bandwidth issues with the 1070 and my buddy says it runs amazing. Have you had issues with the 1070?
Looks great, need to get a better cooler to truly unlock that 4790K.
Not necessarily, I wouldn't trust my system to some gold rated PSUs. It's all a question of capacitor quality and rail design.
Well I wouldn't get the 960 at this point with the 1060 coming out soon and the 480 being much better price/performance. Try and pair that motherboard with some 2400 MHz RAM if you can find it. That PSU isn't top of the line kind of quality, but should be adequate for what you are wanting to do. Might want to go with a 550W, Gold rated unit if you can find it, or an EVGA G2 or GS if you want something really great.
Well the budget didn't have room for the i7 with all of the peripherals. Barely fit the 6500 under the 900 limit.
I'm not as familiar with the UK market though, surely someone can come up with something better than this.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Here is an option:
Oh alplayer, nice to see you again. Athenriel linked a couple of benchmarks between the two machines. The CPU benchmarks show that even though the mobile i7 has hyperthreading technology (fake cores essentially) the single core speed is slightly lower than the 6500. That's the most important thing for gaming as far as CPU utilization is concerned.
The GPU benchmark shows the most important thing though. The 965M is a mobile chipset designed for power utilization, not gaming performance. It get's completely creamed in gaming applications by the 480. Despite the fact that the 480 performs at or about the 970 at launch, the 480 is the much much better card for the money.
Yes you could have gotten a cheaper system and perhaps your friend knows what types of games and how much you would travel with the rig better than we do, but for my money I will always buy a desktop unless I absolutely need the portability of a laptop. You are able to sit much more comfortably, the cooling on the system is so much more efficient, and if something breaks, you can fix it yourself without costly repair techs. Yes you can upgrade as well, even though you said you will never do that just wait till the upgrade bug bites you the first time.
Edit: To expand on the repair idea it is a major PITA to fix laptops and you will have to rebuy absolutely everything when your system starts to lag behind. More often than not the cheaper laptops come with the maximum allowed RAM at the start and cannot be upgraded.
You could but it would run really hot and I doubt you could overclock it. The 6600k is already a near thing, there is not much airflow as I mentioned. The higher base clock makes it better than say a 6500, but I would argue it would be a better processor for an HTPC
Here's an alternative form factor for you to consider:
I've always liked the look of the SFF Node 202 builds, but the Define Nano S would be a better platform to upgrade in the future and would allow for a 6700k and 1080 to run much much cooler. Still, for your consideration.
Edit: The 1080 FE was intentional, there is little airflow in the 202. The blower cooler should theoretically intake through the side perforations and draw cooler air across the chip than a traditional cooler and out of the case. If you can find a low profile traditional top-down cooler than by all means go for it, just a guess on my part that the blower style might be better for the low airflow environment.
Should be fine. Some people might frown on them because they might leave residue which could hinder performance yadda yadda yadda, but they will work just fine. There are companies that sell special cleansers for CPU lids for this very purpose, but I've never seen the use in them.
Yeah it typically comes pre-applied on the cooling plate for AIO coolers, at least it did on my Kraken x61 and I didn't get a tube of paste extra. The one I linked is a very good paste, all you have to do is clean the pre-applied pads off with some 90% or higher isopropanol (rubbing alcohol) and you'll be fine. I like to use the little cotton circles that are meant for cleaning makeup. You can find them in most stores here in the US.
I didn't find it all that hard to work in, but I didn't use an AIO cooler either so maybe that's the difference.
1440p, 144HZ, G-SYNC, IPS yeah that get's pricy. I'm trying to bring it down and was able to come up with this, but it's certainly not near as powerful as I would like for a high refresh gaming machine and lacks almost all of the requirements while still being over budget:
OP would be better served by hooking the machine up to a TV until they can afford to spend the proper amount on a good monitor.
You will have to compromise at this price point or buy used. 1440p/High Refresh monitor, unlocked skew CPU, Z170 chipset, and a GPU to run games high enough to utilize that monitor are at a much higher price point than you are asking.
That's cheaping out on the things you didn't explicitly ask for.
Edit: This is the best I could do for the budget:
That is what Display Driver Uninstaller is for. Great tool.
Well this would be the reason you tell people your location before posting a build request, here is one I did for UK prices since you said you were in Europe...
Unlocked CPU/Z170 mobo and a great cooler means you can overclock, 16 GB of memory should be adequate for the future, a m.2 OS drive and a 1TB HDD for games, a fantastic case with three input and one output 140mm fan (plenty of headers on the mobo, won't need a fan hub), a G2 power supply with plenty of overhead for overclocking and is fully modular and gold rated.
All that left room for an EVGA SC ASX 3.0 card, which is much better than the FE cooler and should keep stable boost clocks without throttling itself. This card runs games at 1440p very well and if you are going to be on 1080p just max everything without concern.
Looks good. Will definitely be a capable machine. Be careful mounting the AIO cooler, the pre-applied paste comes off pretty easy. I replaced it with some Gelid paste myself and it helped with the temps but honestly that CPU doesn't run very hot so you don't have to do that.
Well with motherboards you really do get what you pay for. The MSI board was really nice, had a good layout and a great BIOS for the money, but you will probably never use an m.2 drive in that motherboard since it does require the NVMe based drives which are way more expensive and don't really matter that much for people not using them for scratch drives for media creation. A regular m.2 drive is no different than a 2.5" SSD frankly, only less cables to route whenever you are building the rig which makes for a cleaner ITX build. Incidentally the V1 is a very roomy chassis and you won't have to worry about those extra two cables so don't worry to much about that.
The AC version of the MOBO only has better WIFI, if it's a minimal cost increase go ahead and grab it in case you upgrade your network in the future. Couldn't hurt.
GC? I'm not sure what you are referring to...
The RX 480 is a capable card at 1080p trading blows with a 970 and better than it at DX12 games. In the future we are going to see more Vulkan and DX12 games so you might as well pick one of those up. I think it will be a good little card for that resolution. That being said the stock cooler is absolute dog shite, seriously. The aftermarket models are due in a couple of weeks and I personally have my eye on a 480 with an 8 pin power connector from Sapphire. I might be able to overclock it and switch my 390x for the much much cooler 480 which would be great for the summer months.
There are some good parts
Wifi speeds go up from A -> B -> G -> N -> AC. If you have 50 Mb/s service then the cheaper motherboard will be fine for you, it's only if you have higher than say 150 Mb/s service that the additional speed that an AC wifi controller really matters. You could play over wifi with either board.
While I did have a bad experience with my Gigabyte motherboard RMA, I did end up going with a Gigabyte board for his build. It was the only H170 chipset motherboard that they had at the local computer shop that I could use to figure out if the MSI board had a bad RAM slot. I'm trying to adjust my bias towards Gigabyte in the future. I think the MSI motherboard was a little cleaner (all the ports are on the outside of the board which makes routing a lot easier) and the BIOS is a lot easier for beginners.
That being said if you ever plan on putting a m.2 in an iTX build you better plan on doing it at the start. Most ITX boards (all?) have the m.2 port on the back of the motherboard and it can be hard to get to after the build is started. You would have to completely disassemble the build to get to the port. If you go with that MSI board just skip it. The only m.2 drives you can would be NVMe based drives like the Samsung 950 Pro edition drives and they aren't really cost effective for what kind of performance you would get in games. Just go with a quality 2.5" drive instead as they are no better or worse than the non-NVMe based M.2 drives.
It wasn't the best build, but my buddy was pretty proud of his new machine.
If you use wifi and have a decently fast speed (150Mb/s or higher) then I would say it is. I have an AC PCIe wifi card in my desktop and I get my full 300 up 300 down speeds while my wife sees 160ish up and down.
I tried to use that motherboard in this build and was disappointed to find out that it only supports NVMe based m.2 drives. Were you planning on using a m.2 drive in your build?
Likely it is AC wireless versus not, the link that you sent me doesn't give me any additional information on the parts that you were putting together. Can you link the motherboards directly?
Just regular old thumb screws. Mine came in a kit I got on Amazon.
Go with a 1070 or 1080, don't do crossfire 480s. Crossfire (and SLI) don't always work and you wouldn't be happy with a single 480 on a 1440p display I would wager. Get a 1070 for excellent performance now and a 1080 if you think you won't upgrade for a few years.