This case fits ATX size power supplies of up to 200mm long. It also has a two piece brace to hold the PSU in place, so no worries when the bottom panel is removed.
Great build. I've used that case and it's definitely wonderful for many micro ATX builds.
The Core V1 houses my RX 580 8GB with little issue, while my thermals rarely pushed beyond 70°C. I didn't like how passive the cooling was in the 580, so I set its Max and Target temps to 75°C and 60°C respectively. Sometimes I shift the temps an extra 5 degrees but it's consistently in the 60s. My rear case fans definitely get rid of the extra heat with gusto. Still, the V21 is excellent for extra airflow.
Yeah. There's a bracket on the fan connector that lines up with a bar on the fan header. Make sure it lines up perfectly. If your fan still doesn't work, then you've got a bad fan or a bad header.
Right now I use a Y splitter for the fan header. The rear fans have a 3/4 pin connection so I connect the two molex connectors to each other, then use the 3-pin connector for the Y splitter along with the front case fan.
Before that, you can see the rear fans connected directly to the power supply with a molex cable, so the front fan was simply connected to the system1 fan header.
I read articles on the boards after the post. I'm looking forward to the ASRock Fatal1ty B450 ITX and Gigabyte Aorus B450 Pro WiFi. If the Gigabyte board has the same layout as its B350N, then I'm getting the ASRock.
I feel your pain on the cable management front; that motherboard's layout made cable management a nightmare for me. I'm planning on upgrading to either the ASRock or ASUS Strix X470 ITX boards, or wait for the upcoming B450 chipset (hopefully they make a Mini ITX).
That 2200G can handle Gears of War 4 with mixed settings (mainly high and medium) at 920p resolution for 21-31FPS. Anything lighter should definitely be taken care of by that little slugger.
Monitor aside, your build is strikingly similar in specs to my first Ryzen 3 build. Great job!
On eBay, the 2600X has a reputable seller selling it at $189.99 right now. I'm upset I can't get it at the moment, it's a perfect upgrade for my Mini ITX build. I was thinking about the 2700X, but the price and timing need to be right for me; I need a better motherboard to fully utilize the 2700X and a RAM upgrade for optimal performance.
Yeah, but it raised to $205 now. Still a wonderful deal.
The 2200G at 3.85GHz, Vega 8 iGPU @ 1550MHz with 4GB will play Gears 4 with mixed (recommended) settings, similar to the recommended settings for the 560, at 21-30FPS. Forza 6 with Medium preset and dynamic rendering was running 45-60FPS with or without V-sync at 1600x900. And it still looked gorgeous. It's a slight drop at 1080p, with 35-50FPS.
eSports titles are less demanding, so I don't see why it wouldn't tackle those games if it can handle more intensive games.
The 560 I have only made the build that much better.
I've set the integrated graphics in the BIOS to Forces and manually set UMA to 4GB. I played Gears of War 4 in both campaign and XBL with mixed settings for 22-30FPS @ 1634x920. It starts to stutter a bit at 1080p and the CPU heats up a lot though. Will post my overclock settings and benchmark data soon.
I found a 2600X on eBay for $189.99. I'm cursing myself for being broke right now.
Just check out my Mini Monstrosity build. I definitely milked its stock performance, I haven't even started overclocking it yet. The 580 does run warm, but its stock fan profile is a silent one: it won't even reach 50% fan speed the entire curve, then runs at 100% @ 90o C to reach a target temp of 75o C. I changed that to limits of 75o C and 60o C, respectively. I also lowered its top-end fan speeds by 250RPM (its dual fans spin, and howl a bit, at 3000RPM) and its acoustic limit by 100MHz. It runs like a champ with semi-aggressive fan profiles, as well as the case fans dumping that heat out like it were a supercharged Xbox One. The only concern would be power consumption, at that point.
I'm going all-AMD for my personal builds. I've always loved AMD and it's easier to sync everything using AMD's drivers than mixing and matching. Their driver updates tend to really optimize performance, whereas nVidia's updates are making my laptop crash during gameplay. Seriously, I went through this with the GTX 260M years ago and now my 1050Ti is tapping out on these updates.
I'm finding all sorts of VEGA 56/64 GPUs, frankly. I like nVidia, but I won't dabble with nVidia/AMD crossovers until after I do some Intel builds with both brands. The GTX 1060 doesn't really have the same lure for me as the 1050Ti, frankly. I wouldn't mind a 1070 or 1080 at some point, I'm not the biggest fan of the 1070Ti. The 1050Ti and 1080Ti seem like worthy bumps in performance if I'm not going with the RX 560 4GB and RX Vega 64, respectively. The 1060 3GB is nonsensical to me (1050Ti) and I already have an RX 580 8GB.
Given the extra two cores would do fine with productivity. I'm honestly thinking on getting the 2600X, with prices as low as $180US at times. I'd probably go to the Ryzen 7 when the 3rd gen comes around. I'm currently hunting VEGA 56/64 GPUs at the moment. Just might do a balls-to-the-wall upgrade to my current V1 build.
This is the new father-son bonding experience: building a PC. Sure, cars are definitely still a thing, but building a PC is pretty easy to get into. Love the build, btw.
I definitely recommend upgrading to the 2600 for the sake of taking full advantage of all 16 PCIe lanes for that 1060.
I'm actually finding Ryzen 7 2700 CPUs for roughly $20 over the 2600X's MSRP. I'm debating whether to make the jump to the 5 or the 7 at this point.
My girlfriend wants to stream at some point, so the extra oomph the 2600X provides would benefit that. It's also only $20 extra. But the TDP and overclock potential of the 2600, plus the lower price, are really tempting. My choice will simply depend on whether I get an excellent deal on either processor vs the other.
Actually, I'll take pics once my friend does some upgrades. I'm selling it to him with a WD Blue 1TB and a Lite-On 128GB M.2 SSD once I install them. Once I have a budget, I'm going to do some upgrades to my Mini ITX build.
My builds originally had an EVGA PSU, so I know what you mean about those bulky cables. Routing those cables above and below the motherboard/PSU Chambers would definitely help clean it up.
I gotta check out CableMod since my Corsair PSU has fairly bulky cables as well.
Love the build. It's strikingly similar to my first build. I'm definitely thinking on getting the black case.
As for XMP, have you tried accessing your overclock utilities through the Gigabyte app? I'd also recommend looking at AMD Ryzen Master and/or MSI Afterburner. I'm still struggling with XMP, so I'll look into that.
Ah, in my Gigabyte motherboard my voltage is automatically regulated and it works smoothly. I had other stability issues with Windows 10 and some of the drivers, as well as the BIOS, but updates across the board sorted that issue.
Good luck with future upgrades. I'm looking forward to them.
When your sub lights up and tells you it's time to play everything on max settings @1440p....
The RAM clocking is a shame, I've got 2400MHz right out the box from my build, I'm thinking of doing a complete overclock of everything just to see what I can really get. I think with AM4 the default underclocking issues start around 2933MHz, as even my 2666MHz clock ADATA RAM in my mATX build remained at that clock by default.
I originally purchased two RGB fans thinking they were programmable, but they weren't. Still, they were a dream when I cycled colors from the motherboard's LED strip. I toy with the idea of using the two RGB headers on the board, but I'll probably do that once I set up my fully custom water loop. The RX 580 supports RGB Fusion, though using Gigabyte's app to control it is a bit of a hassle at the moment. I"m trying to get it to recognize the GPU separately, as it should. Nonetheless, it was a decent touch that made up for the black shroud. My theme is technically a White/Black/Red theme, akin to AMD, with the main components being Thermaltake, Gigabyte, and Corsair. Sometimes I change the RGB on the board and card to white, which does look nice.
Cable management is actually pretty straightforward if you do it properly. If you just shove your hand into the case with only a panel or two removed, like I did, then it'll be a nightmare. Removing the bottom panel and routing the cables isn't too bad, but the Gigabyte motherboard does make it interesting with many connections near the HDD caddies. I'm actually going to rearrange the cables one more time for a permanent setup. I'm doing a fully custom water loop, with White/Red powder coat applied once I establish the loop. So stay tuned for that.
I find it insane how similarly your build performed compared to my Ryzen 3 2200G/RX 580 8GB pairing. But I love how your GPU has a white shroud! If only Gigabyte would've done that, I have to settle for black and orange/red unless I go custom with the shroud. I went red instead of white for the RAM but that white is so stunning! And that CPU fan!
Color coordination is definitely on point there. What a stunner!
How's that 2600 for you? I'm planning on getting the 2600X but I'm definitely open to trying the plain 2600.
That cable management is pretty wild there, yet it's also pretty nice to see. You've definitely got a Mini Monster there.
Great build! I made a similar build for my girlfriend and I and it was a blast!
As for the driver issues, I've had the same with my 2200G and 2400G. I recommend flashing your motherboard to the latest BIOS, then updating all the drivers along with some Windows updates as well. They'll definitely do you some justice there.
That PSU seems like overkill for the build, planning on doing some upgrades in the future?
Kinda wondering where the extra $0.58 came from...
I couldn't argue with a barely used $139.95US 2400G. The 1600/2600 were upwards of $185 at the time and my budget was pretty tight. So much so that I would've used only 4GB of RAM to compensate for the 1600/2600 CPU cost.
At the time I purchased the RX 580 for my Ryzen 3 build, I had also purchased the 2400G. It was mainly for benchmarking purposes coupled with the fact that I didn't even have enough for the 1600, despite being the same price as a new 2400G. My original plan was to get the 2400G and build a budget gamer without a dedicated GPU. The 560 was going to be paired with either a 1600 or 2600, but I'm low on funds. I also intend to get the 2600X for my Ryzen 3 build as soon as I sell this build.
In short, I hit my budget cap.
This is great. +1
Beautiful build you got there! I'm especially interested in that CPU cooler as I'm doing a White/Red AMD theme for my Core V1 build. I'm wondering if I should've gotten that white RAM instead of the red version, it's really striking.
It's good to have a future-proof setup in mind regarding certain parts, though I am wondering why you have the 1st gen Ryzen 5 when the 2600X is roughly $20 more. But it's still great, nonetheless.
If only I could have a white shroud for my RX 580, though. It looks so beautiful on that 1060. If only the board were white, too.
Limited budget builds always strike my fancy. I know a good deal of builds are upgraded over time to an overall cost breaking $1000 or so, which is fine. But it makes me cringe when I see these $3000+ budget builds. Paying that much in parts so I can build the computer would have me on edge.
Makes me cringe more when those same people insist on upgrading strict budget builds with a part worth at least half the build because "it's garbage" or whatever. Upgrade recommendations based on the original post is fine, but I'm not going to scream "GET A GTX 1080TI YOU n00b!" just because a person chose to have a 1050Ti..
That's the beauty of it. Then, when you get to game smoothly on it... Priceless.
It did. I tend to play mostly Forza Motorsport 6: Apex, Gears of War: Ultimate Edition, and Gears of War 4 at the moment. I had already upgraded to the RX 580, but this 2200G/RX 560 pairing handled those games in Med-High settings just fine as shown in the Gears 4 benchmarks. Regarding the 2200G, it now uses 1GB of RAM so if you play games that aren't too demanding (Overwatch being the most popular right now) graphically, I don't see how you wouldn't lock in 60 FPS with mixed settings. eSports titles should run just fine.
Funny how I also got the Core V21, though I would've loved to have a Snow White Edition of that case. I have the Snow White V1 and it's sick. The Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2.0 may not have white pipes, but its fan is white and it definitely fits well in this build. There's this DeepCool heatsink that I've had my eye on for awhile, check out the entire lineup and see which would fit the case. This particular cooler has a lower profile than the twin 120mm fan version.
As for cable management, use wire ties and some of the zip ties included with that case to anchor those cables. My build shows this, though I've since cleaned it up even further. I recommend either tying the cables beneath the motherboard mounting or alongside the motherboard above the mounting. Make sure the cables to each route are tied together for a clean look and easier management.
That works. I like the 3/4 pin option given its advantages, plus connecting multiple fans to each other through their molex connectors really helps out in situations like those.
I'm finding the RX 580 8GB model on Amazon for roughly $339US like this one. I've spotted a few 8GB models around $300US as well. The 1060 6GB runs for more than the 580 in most cases. Check around on Amazon or even eBay, you're likely to score better deals on the 580 than the 1060. I'm still hunting a 1060 at a reasonable price.
The 1050Ti is a good option, though I lean toward the RX 560 4GB since it also is more afforable. Considering I purchased an RX 560 and an RX 580 over their Nvidia counterparts due to price differences, I'd recommend looking at AMD.
You don't have a fan header splitter? That'd work just fine.
I tend to go for 3/4 pin fans, my current build has 3 system fans on 1 header with a y splitter. The two 80mm fans I use have 3/4 pin connectors, so I connected their 4 pin Molex connectors to each other and ran the 3 pin to the splitter.
Either way you'd be just fine. The Vega 8 graphics will definitely run fine in the 2200G.
Love your build and wish I were as savvy in certain areas when I did my first build last month. That Thermaltake is definitely a worthwhile PSU that I was eyeing, too. Nice use of that budget! I love that Ryzen 3, it's definitely a sign of good things to come from AMD.
In regard to an RX 580 or GTX 1060 upgrade, check out my current build to see the RX 580 with some benchmarks. Mind you, I play Gears of War 4 and out of my limited PC library, it had the best benchmark options for me. It also gave me a great baseline for any other games I might be into, as well. Given the 1060 6GB is still a bit high in price, going all AMD with the 580 is a great alternative. It previously had the 560 which I think is an excellent budget pairing; medium-high settings in 1080p with that pairing is definitely doable in general. The 580 speaks for itself, though with High-Ultra settings in 1080p and even 1440p in some games. And it's generally closer to MSRP compared to the 1060.
That processor is a little slugger, I can definitely tell you that! My current build still utilizes that APU and it's only marginally worse than the 2400G in gaming applications. Any logical step up would be the 2600 which currently sells for $189.99 new.
Great spread of the budget here, reminds me of my first build I recently did.
If I hadn't purchased RAM with red plates, I would've gone with whites like yours. They're eye-catching. Love the fact you have Crucial RAM and SSD, it'd be cool if you got Cooler Master fans to go with the case also.
Love the look of the case. I've actually seen it once in person and I have to say it's still a stunner. It's not obnoxious with its clean lines. Looks really sleek. I'll definitely get that case sometime in the future to showcase a fully custom copper loop.
That 2200G is a trooper, it definitely held up well with even a single channel 8GB of RAM I had in my first build. With the updates it now uses up 1GB of RAM and AMD made good use of that. It's much better than the initial 200-300MB of RAM it used. Or maybe that was an issue on my end regarding updates. Either way, I look forward to your upgrades. +1
Not necessarily. Unless you bought your motherboard from a vendor that previously had an A10 or something..
Yes, it actually did but my BIOS was F10. Let's just say it had some serious stability issues.
This APU is great for eSports games that aren't too demanding. I tested Modern Combat FPS and Asphalt 8 on it with at least 40FPS with mixed settings. This was when the Vega 8 graphics only used up 200MB of RAM. I didn't really pay too much attention at the time, just tested the APU to see if it functioned properly.
I think the recent AMD update lets it use 1GB of RAM now, which happened to me a few days back. It's currently paired to an RX 580 8GB GPU right now, but I'm happy to test it out again. I'll let you know later what I'm getting in those kinds of games with the upgrade in memory usage.
I recommend setting a more aggressive fan profile by lowering your max and target temps through Nvidia's software. Basically, have your fan run at 100% when it reaches 70-75o C, or have your GPU fan settings set on a curve that would maintain temps for quite a bit before hitting its designated max temp.
My 8GB RX 580 runs hot with stock fan/temp settings (90o C max, with 75o C being target) and ends up bringing my system's temps over 65o C, even to 75o C. So I set my max temp to 75o C and my target temp around 55o C. It runs loud for a bit but it definitely keeps those temps at bay. I'm even able to control the acoustic limits of my fan (works throughout the fan curve to keep it quiet, but does cause temps to rise quicker).
Another thing you can do is set more aggressive fan profiles for the system fans, that way you'd be able to pull more air into the system as well as push more air out. That GPU fan runs faster than the system fans so I doubt they'd produce more noise at lower speeds.
Good job on the build, though that single fan GPU will definitely run warm. Getting two fans on that card would be fairly simple, though swapping for a larger heatsink to accommodate the extra fan could be challenging for you. My only gripe regarding the build is the vertical mounting of the board. It has your GPU fans pointing downward with the CPU fan pushing hot air just above it. With just a single fan, it'll be challenging to keep temps and noise down.
I need to get a 3TB HDD to make my current build comparable to yours storage-wise. Otherwise, we're pretty close. Love your build and great job on hunting down those parts during that time!
Eh, I'm gonna do it more for the aesthetic purpose of it, though I do have a plumber's itch right now. I have some training and I'd love to do some sick plumbing on this. I've got some 1/4" copper lying around that I was originally gonna use for my fridge.
I'll play with the voltages a bit. I used to undervolt my ATi Gateway Netbook years back when I'd overclock it. Let's see how tolerant this machine is.