You have put an immense amount of effort and funding into this PC and it clearly shows. My vote for build of the year 2019 and it has only just begun. There are a lot of talented builders on this site and elsewhere but I would say you belong in the top tier.
I also have a build that has been ongoing for the best part of 6 months, tough when you work 10hours a day and family take up a good chunk of free time. Probably your situation as well, so you get double kudos from me for completing this build.
For the price AMD are hard to beat nowadays.
The case looks like it is fun to work with.
It looks nice
$650 for GTX 1070? I see these for under $300 regularly.
You can find some that are not "name branded" but come with good specs. Sager or Clevo are ones to check out. Looks like you are from the UK so not sure importing from the USA will work, what with different power sockets, custom duties and so on. But perhaps you can find something like that in the UK. Dell also do a budget gaming laptop. I do not know the currency conversion but a typical inexpensive gaming laptop here, i.e. from Walmart runs around $750.
Yes the CPU is good. No bottleneck for 1080 here unless perhaps you decide to game 1080p on a very high 144-165Hz refresh. No weak link in the chain will exist if 90fps - 100fps is your target. At 2K or above Res, then no, GPU likely to be the limit.
Personally, if the i5 you have flips for $350 used, I would refresh the hardware. You can get an i7-8700K for $350.
i7-8086K + RTX2080 would nail it.
Previous Gen GPU, GTX1080Ti would do it but you might have to tweak settings. 2K @ 144Hz might not be achievable for some games.
Me, game i7-7700K and GTX 1080. Runs extremely well at 2K but some games do not top 100fps. Notably Assassin's Creed Origins and Ghost Recon.
9980XE is for sure a great chip for gaming but....
it will not run games better than i9-9900K which will do so at a fraction of the price.
In fact even the i9-9900K is not a tremendous step up on the i7-8700K for games,
which itself is not a huge lead over i7-7700K for gaming.
Unless you have workloads for the 9980XE you are wasting money. 9980XE proves it's worth in arena's outside of gaming.
If purchasing for gaming alone, the 9980XE is a waste of money.
You are better off spending your money on the i9-9900K and buying better RAM/GPU etc...
The only thing good about the PS4 Pro is that you get some killer exclusive games. Xbox One X is an even less desirable console and not that much better spec wise than a PS4 Pro. If it is then it sure as heck does not show, at least to my eyes. I got both consoles and they both pretty much do the same thing. 30fps. True 4K?
The fellow was saying if you scour used parts. Goodwill/Craigslist/eBay. I figure in equivalence, we looking at mixed medium to high settings, AA on a basic default, for 4K at 30fps. Well within range of a used GTX 980Ti or AMD equivalent of the day. We will see many more of these cards when miners dissolve their liquid assets on eBay, prices will be going down down down.... Who knows, I am a NewEgg shopper so I am used to seeing $3K plus bills adding up when I build a PC. Budget shopping for good components used? I can see how one may be able to get within $100 of the retail Xbox One X. New parts, no chance, $800 minimum. Used parts, with mix of last gen (GPU has to be pretty good) and perhaps 2/3 gens back for the rest, then maybe. $400 is a pretty big ask since one would need to ignore an aesthetically pleasing PC case and perhaps live without the DVD/Blue ray drive (who buys Blu Ray drives for their PC's anyway?).
Thanks for the info. A lot of PC builders overspec, as if going for that hypothetical top 99% benchmark test. In my opinion, if you can get a game 60fps or better for a chosen resolution you are set. I followed your info and have some neat boards and cpu's on my watchlist on eBay. All I need to do is check to make sure compatibility not an issue and double check seller feedback to be sure they are not crooks. Quite looking forward to a small lounge PC for half that going off Newegg.
Good to know, I did not think of that. I have been wanting to build a small (very small) itx for the lounge, capable of streaming 1080p content but allowing me access to my Steam Library. I usually keep my consoles in the lounge so wont move to a 4K TV while consoles lack power. Looks like your suggestion may save money, I did not think about going back several generations.
Then AMD are nuts, was hoping to see a Navi equivalent of a RTX2080 but $500 instead of $800 or whatever crazy price Nvidia are charging.
Dang prices have dropped, RX580 for $140. I recall they were flipping just 8 months ago for upper $300's. Okay in that case I am sold, go for Haswell era, DDR3, I can see the possibility. Cheap out on a Bronze nonmodular psu and you are right, you could probably put it all together for a song. On AMD side, one of the FX chipsets will probably do the job as well for cheap.
Yeah I heard there is much checkerboarding going on with Xbox One X games. My jury is out on it, but it does seem like a decent bit of kit. I have one and the graphics look good to me. Probably do not need Vega 56 but it is good to have wiggle room.
Rules out Newegg, but anything possible I guess with someone who picks and chooses deals on eBay or Craigslist. Still tough though, $400 is peanuts in PC terms. It would be one heck of a wheeler and dealer that builds an Xbox One X equivalent PC for under 400bones even with used parts.
To match up to the PS4 or Xbox 1 stock models, I reckon a good dual core 2c/4t and GTX 1050Ti or RX570 will draw parity with the consoles. My nephew's Pentium G5500 with 8GB Ram and GTX 1050Ti 4G model runs games on mostly console equivalent settings (mix of medium and high) 30fps or better at 1080p. Ryzen 5 2400g is an awesome processor with integrated graphics, it stomps anything with intel HD written on it. However, the GPU side of things it is weaker than an RX560 / GTX 1050. It is not going to match up to the consoles - gaming will be 1080p low settings or 720p higher settings. Not a great chip for 1080p gaming. Might trade blows and still lose to the older 750Ti.
As for Xbox One X, nope not even close. If you want to match up to the Xbox One X, I would think a good 4c/4t CPU and RX Vega 56 with 16GB RAM will trade blows with the Xbox One X.
Just my 2c
Xbox One X is $400. Tough ask to build a PC from scratch for that amount that can game 4K 30fps or better. Sure if you have spare parts then yeah. But from scratch, which is a case, ram, ssd, psu, cpu, and gpu, it would be extremely tough. Ram alone will set you back $100. GPU wise anything lower than RX 580 will not hit the specs, preferably a Vega 56 since the RX580 is lightweight for 4K. That is a budget over $400 just two components. CPU wise you can whimp out with a Ryzen 3 and be good. Still $100 though. It all adds up :D
Why not wait until AMD release Navi. It looks like they are going to tackle the RTX 2080 and RTX 2070 and trade blows with Nvidia here. If they have a card that gets within 5% or so of the RTX2080, 4K gaming is "game on".
I have the Vega 64, it is pretty good but for 4K, not too much. I have to dial down settings on quite a few games and 60fps is a tough target for this card. Sure I can get at least 30fps out of it even on most demanding games but I do not think it is a 4K gaming card. It does swell at 2K though.
good on you man. I do not think you need an RTX2080Ti for your set up. New monitors yeah sure but with what you have, I think an RTX2060 would be as far as you need. Even then you will go above 60Hz refresh of your monitor.
That is very small indeed. So, if I read correctly, it is a mini itx build and not mini stx/nano and so on.
If so you could, in technicality, with a different mobo/cpu combo, have a pcie x16 and install a very low profile gpu. Probably no section on the case to access the hdmi port of a gpu but I have seen folks engineer a solution. Potentially you could have an i7-8700, low profile cooler, and a GTX 1050Ti low profile. Not suggesting that you do this because you have a particular application in mind here that does not require anything more than what you built.
Nice build, motivates me to research possibilities in this tiny form factor.
The H310 series of Mobo's will be fine and they are well priced.
In some commercial PC's you can actually install a GPU. Not all of them however come equipped with pcie x16 slot on the motherboard, and even those that do, the case design is such that you cannot get a GPU to fit in there, or if you can get it in there, the back of the case has no slot to access the HDMI ports you need. Companies that sell office PC's usually do not factor in the design a user modding the PC.
Even if you could hypothetically install a GPU in this, the specs, being 2010 might not handle the games out there. A 4GB DDR2 with a 2.5GHZ dual core is not really up to the challenge on all but older gen games. If you can fit a GPU in there, find an older gen one out there, maybe a 750Ti low profile and see how that goes.
For gaming they will be about the same. If you are not overclocking maybe go with the i7-8700, lower thermals (= more relaxed cooling solutions), and you do not need a more expensive z390 mobo either. You could end up saving a lot of money going with the i7-8700 here - get a bare bones mobo with wifi no overclocking and you could be on a good budget here.
I would bet a Celeron dual core would run most games still. As long as the mobo has a PCIE x16.
For gaming, no chance whatsoever that a 6 core is going to be obsolete in the near future. The Op's post was purely a reference to gaming with a 144HZ monitor, I imagine gaming will be a big part of his PC experience beyond the usual staples like reading news or emails etc....
It will be a long long long time before we see 6c/12t as obsolete for gaming. I built a PC for my wife with an i7 4c/8t overclocked to 5.1GHZ and I would bet my bottom dollar it would crush a Ryzen Threadripper in 1080p/144Hz gaming scenario. This of course in a pure gaming scenario with most titles running well on dual cores and 4 cores.
Worry not, developer's will always target the mass audience. They develop games to make money, Steam do not make money when people demand refunds. The mass audience do not roll with 32 core CPU's and Titan RTX's. Most casual gamers (whom make up the largest audience in PC gaming) do not invest several thousands in a gaming PC.
I built my Nephew a Pentium G5500 with 8GB Ram and a GTX1050Ti 4GB model. It runs games believe it or not, every single friggin title we could throw at it. Sure there are titles like Ghost Recon Wildlands and Assassin's Creed Origins which required us to dial down settings to a mix of Medium and High to play at 30fps or better, but most games ran A-OK. 60fps or better was common. This with a very humble Dual Core in the Pentium. I bet I could run most titles on an even more humble dual core Celeron as long as the Mobo had a PCIE x 16 slot for a GPU. Heck, that Dual core Pentium even runs Cemu and we can get Breath of the Wild up to around 30fps - which is a better frame rate than the original on the Wii U! This is emulation we talking about. I also tried Dolphin and that little dual core ran everything I threw at it.
Forget the Professional Youtuber and trust what your fellow PC users tell you. A 2core, let alone a 6core, will handle most you throw at it, at least in a gaming sense. Of course, today, it is best to future proof your stuff. If I were in the market for a new PC, I would definitely not get anything below a 6 core, but that is because future proofing comes in. A 4 core today for gaming is absolutely all you need. A 6 core i7 adds in the element of future proofing - in that 3 or 4 years from now it will still play the new games of the day without being a severe bottleneck.
Any of the Kabylake/Skylake i5's or i7's, which are now old 4 core processors will breeze through 99.9% of games out there. It will be a long time before they will not handle games handily. A 6 core CPU is absolutely swell today, maybe even overkill for pure gaming purposes. While this whole AMD 8 core vs Intel 6 core is moot for gaming at the front end of 2K or 4K, at 1080p, most reliable sources I read or watch show the Intel 6 core coming out well ahead in the "ridiculously high frame rate" battle where the CPU is more likely to be a bottleneck vs a high end GPU. The difference becomes more trivial when the GPU is bottlenecking the frame rates.
While I think the Ryzen 7 is a fantastic chip and a superior in some tasks over the i7, the i7 has not proven iteself to be a slouch at all. The same applies to the i5. Hell, even the i3-8350K 4 core is an outstanding chip. That Youtube guy you follow probably is an AMD fanboy and might have had several restless nights when the 8 core i9 came out with monstrous overclocking and benchmarks that will probably see the 10core Ryzen 7 2800X come out shortly. Cores are a marketing strategy at the moment, it is a stupid fad and overkill for the majority of PC users.
TBH it is not ideal for that monitor which is 4K. AMD would be a good choice given your monitor has freesync but I suggest you hang 10 when AMD release Navi next year, according to reports they will be targeting the RTX2070 and RTX2080 and will be lower priced than them. The Vega 56 is more like a GTX1070. You want to play your games max settings with fps > 30, the Vega 56 will not get that on some titles without dialing down settings. I have a Vega 64 and need to dial down settings on certain games to achieve above 30fps. AC Origins for instance averages between 25 and 40fps on high settings at 4K. On the Vega 56 I would guess you could knock off 5fps off my totals. Playable yes, ideal, no.
Origin PC have one in their professional series, you can customize it as you wish.
An air venting solution through the acrylic (i.e. holes) can be avoided. Go for all in One Cooling unit for the GPU. The CPU can roll with a Low Profile Air Blower - problem solved. I do not have this case but it looks quite small so a dual 120mm radiator in different parts or a 240mm Rad option might be out if pursuing an All in One Solution for both CPU and GPU.
Thanks, makes sense
Some folks here are very good builders, you will not get this sort of quality from a custom site that flip PC's.
The build is excellent here clean lines and nice choice of components.
Good deals on pricing as well.
Maybe it could have been some other error, I just recollect a few games crashing on my i9-7960x where with my other i7-7700K build they ran okay. It could have been the GPU, the i7 build uses a GTX 1080 while the i9 build is using a non gaming card (Titan V). I just assumed it may have been core count since I recollect a post on Toms Hardware reporting a game issue with the Threadripper. I did not investigate further since my i9 build I rarely play games on it.
A very tidy build. Really good looking RAM but ouch, that price. Probably performs like a champ though and of course, looks really cool.
10/10 for originality.
Out of curiosity, what is the GeForce 210 for?
That is a pretty decent monitor :D
Yeah DDR is ridiculously priced. While 16GB is enough for gaming and not too absurdly priced (ignoring > 3200 Corsair Dominator or Gskill Trident Royal) a lot of us use PC's for more than just gaming. 16GB shows it's limitations on some of my workloads and simulations. Got to do 32GB or more.
Not clock speed the processor you have is very fast on all cores. There are a few games out there that crash or wont load when the core count is too high.
Yeah you can hang ten and see how the next gen lines up. It is a commitment - it is not like the waterblocks and backplate are standard across all generations. If you commit to a backplate and block for the 2080Ti there is a high chance you will not be able to transfer onto another more desirable card. But in the words of Newman "Nothing would be done at all if a man waited until he could do it so well nobody could find fault with it". Tech is going to change, a friend of mine was going to build a PC during Maxwell Gen, it is now Turing and his reasoning is "But next year my computer won't be up to date". Get the extra 2080Ti, watercool, dump your Titan XP's when the next gen comes out next year, every 2/3 years you switch out cards one machine to the next :D
Great workstation. Will probably game like a champ, some cores would need to be disabled of course...
Dang, Case is bigger than my fish tank.
Like it a lot.
Build may be overkill for your monitor. Single RTX2080Ti will push frames past the 60Hz Refresh. Might be time to upgrade to the Predator 4K 144Hz Monitor.
I am in process of building something similar to you but one thing that I am having trouble with is the price of 32GB RAM. It must have been heartbreaking when you hit the purchase button. I will be at that place shortly just waiting to see if a price drop happens.
22TB of storage, wow.
Top specs for sure, thinking this is a workstation vs gaming pc :D
Cable management? Non issue. Build is not even half complete and no photo with cooler attached.
Any reason why you decided not to liquid cool the GPU? Next gen? We are only 3 months into the new Gen. It would be one heck of a slap in the face for their customers if Nvidia decided to dump Turing within the next year. True there might be a new Volta card but it will not be targetting consumers nor will it come with an appealing price tag. Titan V is 3grand, next Volta card to top it will not be cheaper. I do not think AMD have anything in their upcoming Navi cards that will outperform the 2080Ti it seems they are targeting the 2070 and 2080 for the showdown. Only other upcoming card that beats the 2080Ti is the new Titan RTX, which is $2500.
Also, this big power supply wants to see you SLI the 2080Ti. For workstation purposes it would make complete sense.
Pros of the case - plenty of room and airflow. Cons of the case, too much room if not liquid cooling or decking out hard drive racks. Hard to get good aesthetics in there without gearing it up with stuff you do not really require. You could pop at a couple of RGB fans for the Right Hand Side to act as an inlet. Probably overkill but 120mm RGB Fans are not that pricey. The NZXT is a nice case though.
Cable Management: You did fine - hint - it is much harder to keep clean and tidy cables when everything utilized is what comes out the box with each component. I look at it this way - if you are getting a modular PSU, it would be a shame not to get customized cables for it at a length that is convenient but minimal. Most stuff is too long. True, the Case cables always are too long and there is not much you can do with them outside of connecting to the Mobo and purchasing cable management clamps or ties. Case does not appear to have any hiding places. You can hunt through sites like MnPCTech or Cablemod to get the gear you need to keep aesthetics as clean as you can make it. Cons = costs more money.
1080p gaming? Old gen 1070Ti will mash through it - even for the most demanding games at ultra settings. Costs half the RTX 2070. RTX 2070 will outperform the 1070Ti but at 1080p I doubt you would notice the difference, both will breeze through most games topping well over 60fps... True you can try out Ray Tracing and getting a newer card is nicer than getting an older one.
I love that case. Perfect for a miniature entertainment system. Only thing I would have done different is the Ryzen 5 2400g purely because the integrated GPU is much more capable than HD630. Would have added $60 to the build though.
2080Ti? Hold off on this one until you get a clear idea where it fits. It is probably going to be 30-40% faster than the 1080Ti across the board however until RT really kicks off, that 30% or so frame rate boost on regular games might not be enough for many folks. Once RT kicks off, will the card have enough grunt to do it? Big questions that will likely get answers over the coming year. BTW, Nvidia have gone crazy charging Titan XP prices for it.....
The 680 is old but not terrible. I bet you can still game on it today, most Steam games have min requirements on much lesser GPU's. I recollect the GTX680 would do 1080p 60fps setting med-high when it was released, I would imagine the 680 would be roughly on a par with a modern day 1050Ti, maybe slightly worse due to 2GB memory. Anyway, nice build btw. Way overkill for my needs but power to you. I am happy with my now low end and outdated i9-7900X lol.... such is the way technology evolves :-)
This looks awesome, excellent job there.
I was referring to your particular NZXT case. I had this one on my bucket list since it is a very nice looking case. Was commenting that if one is going to use a 240mm radiator (which I strongly advise/recommend) there is only one place in the front of case and it will interfere with longer gpu's. Basically GPU options are Founder Edition sizes and smaller. Longer GPU's one would have to install a 120mm radiator in fan slot - which would be an issue for someone that intends to liquid cool both GPU and CPU or requires a heftier CPU cooler. Your case is awesome with careful planning.