You are correct, 8GB is enough for vast majority of titles out there. Heck I have a Laptop with 8GB of RAM that can run at least 95% of that Steam Library. Just for fun I ran Fallout 4 on it, horrible experience of course, low settings at 720p but if gave me 25-30fps or so, sometimes even higher Not exactly perfect but was it playable? Indeed so, I play many things on consoles and Wii U Breath of the Wild coughs frames at around 20fps in many areas of the game. You get used to it ;)
It will be a long time before 32GB is seen as some kind of minimum or expected RAM. 8GB DDR3 with 840M can run Fallout 4 with an i5 dual core mobile CPU from Haswell Generation.
Case has 200mm fan that pushes air through that comes in pre installed. If you wanted an exhaust fan, you can purchase two 80mm fans to do that - there are a couple of slots at back of case. 80mm fans are only around $5 a piece.
Build advise given with RTX 2080 Ti in SLI - do not bother going there. Some games scale well with SLI, most do not. Waste of time and money, particularly for 1440p. One RTX 2080 Ti will suffice. There is never a need to max out a budget. You can get what you need for a shade over $3K. Any of the builds recommended will be fantastic for your needs, less the extra GPU. As the Highlander said "There can only be one". Two GPU's is a waste of money.
Here it is, over budget by $100.
Chose Intel/Nvidia combo to push you over the edge with WoW. Usually for budget, AMD is king but WoW heavily favors the former combo.
You do not need a cpu fan with i3, one comes in box.
GPU wise - you save $80 or so if you go with a GTX 1060 3GB model. Will work A-OK for the game, but sometimes it is better to buy contemporary new. 1160 is a new card and performs really well for the money.
CPU wise - i3 are my favorite Intel chips right now - factoring in the price/performance. I would have preferred z370/i3-8350K combo but it would add approx $110 to the build given you would also have to purchase an aftermarket cooler. i3-8350K is probably my favorite Intel chip, in the 4core/4thread domain it is extremely fast. It is very similar to Skylake/Kabylake i5-7600K/6600K. i3-8100 is cut from the same die but has lower clock and no overclocking. Still, i3-8100 is a fantastic and underrated CPU.
Boot wise, 240GB m2 2280 SSD. WoW will take approx 65GB of drive space give or take, you can easily put it on 240GB without maxing out once you install Win 10 and some softwares. I added a 1TB HDD, nothing fancy, a place where you can dump files, DVD Rips, or games if needed.
Changing GPU for GTX 1060 3GB model will put you close to budget.
Itx form factor was a consequence of choice selection. I wanted you to have a motherboard with wifi without breaking the bank. I have a build attached in my profile, it will give you a clue what your will look like ;)
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Gilroar's build option is by far best - get a cheaper but older prebuilt PC (i.e. one with Haswell CPU) and then add the components to make it gaming ready. Building from scratch, not as cheap since we will be restricted to current parts buying new. If willing to buy used parts that are a gen or two old, scour eBay or Craigslist for good stuff. You could very well end up with a nice performing PC for within budget.
My own Parts list for you:
Built with presumption of upgrading later.
Parts were chosen with constraint of wireless capability. While you can get cheaper motherboards and purchase usb wireless adapters, it is more convenient to get it ready to go. Using an ethernet cable, particularly if it has to be routed from another room, is an inconvenience most could live without.
No GPU, I chose a CPU with very powerful integrated GPU. It will not game as well as some other rigs with a GPU such as RX570 and so on, but it will for sure push the frames on the games you like at 720p or 1080p with settings dialled down.
8GB of RAM is a little light, upgrade later, for now it will do for the games you want to play.
I have heard good things about the Qisan keyboard. Good switches and build quality. MagicForce I think is the model. I have never used one but it was well reviewed and received. You probably cannot go wrong with it and it would be an excellent purchase. I went for broke and purchased the Topre Realforce - like you I code a lot. I went with this model, best keyboard ever, but very pricey ... https://www.amazon.com/Topre-SE17T0-Realforce-Capacitive-Mechanical/dp/B00DONW9HC/ref=sr_1_8?crid=33EX5BTX4EZVF&keywords=topre+realforce&qid=1553307503&s=gateway&sprefix=topre+real%2Caps%2C208&sr=8-8
Dwigz, I am not sure that AAAs 1440p, high settings or better, is achievable with 90fps or better nowadays. The vast majority of titles, sure, within range of RTX 2080/GTX 1080Ti, but some new games that came out like Metro Exodus and Assassin's Creed Odyssey have proved to be real slog fests even for the highest performing gaming card - the RTX 2080Ti. I mean, the RTX 2080 Ti can barely reach 90fps at 1080p, I do not think it would have a hope of knocking more than 80fps at 1440p.
Problem with RTX 2080Ti is.... 80% of budget blown on just one GPU.
Oh yeah, I built NZXT H500 for my wife before replacing it with the Anidees Crystal Cube. I loved the case. Well worth the dime. There is a black and red model that looks awesome. In Win also have a competing model that ranks about even with it. The Fractal Design reminds me strongly of a Lian Li case with it's brushed steel vibe but unlike Lian Li, it has far more user friendly interior. I cannot believe the Fractal is only around $60, the Lian Li version of it cost me nearly $200.
An i7-8700K with Z370 mobo may very well still land you within budget. I personally went with the i7 when I built my own rig but I have seen many happy campers with their Ryzen 2600X CPU's so I got to figure it is awesome. Price wise, hard to beat.
My build for you:
I focused on very high quality components. You could get more performance for the money by carefully choosing cheaper parts. I personally take quality over quantity though. This PC right here would be extremely fine for many years.
Ryzen 5 2600X is by far the best processor out there for the money. An absolute legend CPU. You will get slightly more performance from Intel i5/i7 for nearly double the price.
Ram wise - went for looks. Awesome RAM. 16GB is plenty unless you code RAM hogging applications.
Case Wise, Fractal is excellent. Went for mini ITX for you, nice to have a smaller form factor. You will not need the extra features of a full ATX or the 4 dimm slots. You will not need the PCIe slots either, one is enough.
Storage wise, a 250GB NVMe drive is great for fast boot up and storing one game you play a lot of. The memory is enough for most people out there, unlikely you will install that many programs to eat it all up. I chose a 1TB HDD by Western Digital Black. My personal favorite out there although there are cheaper models (i.e. WD Blue at half the price) that perform perfectly well.
CPU cooler - went for a very nice RGB Liquid cooler (an all in one unit, you do not need to do anything other than just screw it in). There is a stock cooler with the Ryzen as well, pretty nice and will save you money, but a Liquid Cooler just looks nicer. Performance wise, might offer a slight gain in cooling performance if you overclock.
GPU wise, cannot beat the RX 2060 for the price. A 1080p monster.
I cheaped out on the monitor a little. 1080p is still very nice for gaming and has advantage it is less demanding on hardware. I can vouch for this MSI model, I have one similar sized at 31.5" and it is a solid performer for the money. The monitor does not have speakers (monitor speakers tend to suck though) so I got you some fairly decent ones in there. Keyboard wise, took a middle path. I personally have moved on from the Logitech G910 but it is a respectable introduction to Gaming Keyboards. It has most the bells and whistles and the mechanical keys are not too loud - sort of a halfway house compromise. If you never have used a mechanical keyboard you could go either way, some folks hate the clickety clack when you type. It really depends on personal preference. My personal fave is the Topre Realforce, a real powerhouse but costs a bundle at $300. It is not really a gaming keyboard but of course it is fine in that environment. Mouse wise, I can vouch for that Steelseries model. I ended up replacing mine with a Razer Lancehead and sort of regret it.
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You are running a little high. Around 2GB is normal. CTRL ALT DEL and see whats going on. You might have a lot of software installed or some background process hogging it.
Ryzen 3 or i3-8100. There are cheaper CPU's but you want to stick with 4c/4t for a budget build.
Intel still using Skylake Architecture.
i5-6600K/i7-6700K - Skylake, released 2015
i5-7600K/i7-7700K - Kabylake, released 2017
i5-8600K/i5=9600K/i7-8700K - Coffee Lake, released 2017
5th Gen? Technically 4th Gen, different architecture, Intel's Haswell refresh, going by name of i5-4790K/i7-4790K.
Yes Skylake/Kabylake are still great. I would, nowadays, feel inclined towards Coffee Lake or Ryzen. Why buy old when you can get new? Unless you so happen to have a motherboard (which you could probably flip on eBay for more than you paid for it new), there is no reason to purchase these old chips. They actually perform worse than Coffee Lake, at least, type per type, i.e. i5-8600K vs i5-7600K etc... I believe the i3-8350K is faster than Kaby Lake i5, Coffee Lake has been a big improvement over Kabylake. For gaming, most games, not too much improvement will be seen, everything else, yes...
Are you using an SSD to boot the program from?
The $200 drop from the 9900K is awesome until you realize you gain the $200 back purchasing the X399 motherboard. Extremely niche market purchasing the x399 and an 8 core CPU that is well beaten by the 2700X in pretty much all workloads. Like the i7-7820X for Intel's X299 platform, it essentially has become a redundant chip.
Yeah, the triple digit series are now old processors, circa 2010/2011 or so. Memory a bit hazy but I think it was around that time. Best avoided unless you are fixing/restoring an old computer or just like building vintage gear.
Go ahead with the RTX 2060. I believe the Freesync monitor will work A-OK with an Nvidia card.
Thing to remember - there are 10's of thousands of games on Steam, thousand's on GOG and so on. The RX580 will handle all of them at 1080p. The most demanding games might push the card to the point you need to tweak settings mixed at high and medium to achieve 60fps. Only 5 titles come to mind where an RX580 will not run them at 60fps highest settings at 1080p. There might be one of two more but not a lot. Nice thing with RX 580 is price. You get a nice performance bump from the GTX 1660Ti but it will not be the sort of bump that adds years to longevity. Check your monitor for freesync or gsync that should seal the deal.
Get the better performing card - that being the GTX 1660Ti. Given the RX570 is good already, I would consider the leap to RTX 2060 more worthwhile.
I peg the RX580 as being perfect for your build. As for performance difference, most titles will show at least 10fps performance gain with RX580. Usually more than that. Might be a deal maker on some more demanding titles although monitor is freesync.
1660/1660Ti and bump RAM up to 16GB. You will be set.
The game specs come with a recommendation of 32GB RAM. If it tanks on 16GB of RAM I will scratch it off my bucket list. There are 10's of thousands of games on Steam that are playable with 16GB of RAM, I can rest easy and delay an inevitable upgrade.
GTX 1080 Ti stacks amazingly well at 1080p. Usually I would say overkill but given many folks like to game at highest settings at over 60fps while newer titles are being surprisingly brutal on hardware (even at 1080p), the 1080Ti is probably a sensible purchase. Cyberpunk 2077 is not coming out for a while yet, but if it follows Assassin's Creed Odyssey or Metro Exodus in performance stakes, the GTX 1080Ti will not be overkill at all for 1080p. Right now, for AC Odyssey, the 1080Ti is not cooking much more than 80fps highest settings at 1080p and there are frame drops below 60fps as well.
Get info on the motherboard in that case. B450 or X470, then go for the Ryzen 7 2700.
Short Answer = No.
Long Answer = No.
General Comments: Ryzen 2700 is better than 1700 but it does not make sense to upgrade the 1700 with a 2700. A bit like upgrading a Honda Civic bought in 2017 with 20K miles on clock and replacing with a 2019 Honda Civic but fronting up $5K for the privilege of owning a 2019 Civic.
Workstation: i9-7980XE a questionable purchase given TR pricing and core counts. YMMV.
Gaming: i9-7980XE is overkill. 4 core Kabylake i7 or 6 core Coffee Lake i7/i5 perform approximately as well or better.
Office Use: i9-7980XE underpowered, barely runs Windows 10. Microsoft Word tortoise slow, Latex runs though ;)
Assassin's Creed Odyssey. BTW, not really that good of a game, more of the same if you played Origins. Anyway, interesting game in that the hardware really gets pushed. 2080Ti was paired with an i9-9900K. So yeah, this game causes a GTX 1080 to really sweat at 1080p while the 2080Ti is underwhelming as well. At 4K, wow, game runs pretty choppy, getting around 50fps and regular drops below 30. I am amazed the game runs on consoles!
I have a laptop with mx150, using it now ;)
1080p at highest settings 100fps? Yeah Ryzen 1700 + 2060 would work out for vast majority of games. Depends on game, some titles require an obscene amount of horsepower to run at those sorts of frame rates. One game I was playing yesterday, a GTX1080 with i7-7700K would regularly tank below 60fps on highest settings @ 1080p although average was above 60fps. An RTX 2080Ti build I have barely makes 85fps on this title at 1080p. One cannot guarantee any particular hardware will hit a performance threshold for all possible games in the next 2 or so years. What most of us do is purchase a card well suited to the resolution and frame rate we wish to play at for a select few games, those games that are demanding enough to tank on our hardware, we drop settings. It is what it is. Either invest heavily in an overkill solution (which will be outdated within a few years anyway) or aim for an acceptable statistical measure for less money. RTX 2060 hits that sweet spot at 1080p.
Depends, games you play will go a long way. Older titles, no problem, for most part. Both GPU's will give you good performance at 1080p. Newer AAA titles, if you like settings maxed out it will be a challenge hitting anywhere near 144fps. Heck with the 1660, it would be a challenge rendering some titles at 60fps or better.
To be honest, I am not massively impressed with Nvidia's 1660 or 1660Ti. Nvidia's 1660 in particular is making AMD's RX580 or RX590 look mighty appealing in the arena of bang for buck gaming.
Save some extra cash for the RX 2060. This if you already have a gaming rig with a GPU you are looking to upgrade. If this is your first PC, the 1660 will serve it's purpose but do check out the RX580. It does not quite perform as well but it is close enough and a bit cheaper. For a first PC it will be pretty swell.
The 2080 and 2080Ti are the best GPU's out there for that resolution (ignoring the non gaming / pro cards). I will include the Vega VII in that group. They will hit reasonable fps (often above 60fps) at highest settings, while some small tweaks down on settings can result in some very good fps improvements. Older titles and 99% of games out there will run blazing fast, well over 60fps, at highest settings. Conversely, there are very demanding titles that will run nowhere near 120fps, more like 60fps if that even - i.e. Final Fantasy XV, Assassin's Creed Odyssey, Metro Exodus and so on. This is a sign of what is to come for PC gaming and what one will need GPU wise this generation and next. We have a new console generation being readied for launch in 2020 and console releases always gives a boost to PC gaming and graphics. The PS5 and new Xbox slated for 4K 60fps or possibly even 8K gaming according to some rumors, so we can expect new titles developed for them and ported to PC will necessarily be much more demanding.
As for Navi, nothing I read indicates they will offer performance on a par with a 2080 or 2080Ti. I would not bother. Maybe next Gen AMD will be more competitive. It is likely next year AMD will launch some fantastic high end GPU's and Nvidia will likely follow suit with their next product range. Intel will also be jumping in. Exciting times.
In response, yes, buy now, get a 2080. If you can afford a 2080Ti, get that. No sense waiting for what if's, if we did do that, we need not ever purchase hardware since the next revision or improvement is always around the corner. Buy what exists now, enjoy it, upgrade when it serves it's purpose. There is no guarantee we will stick with this hobby anyway, many folks I know jump in, play hard, and then find something else to spend their hard earned cash on a few years later. Such is life ;)
There is no particular reason to stump up for the GTX 1080TI now, it is a last gen card and it has competition. RTX 2080 and Vega VII are two that perform similarly nowadays that fall in your price bracket. As for performance issue of RTX 2080, they mostly occured when the card first came out. The issues have been resolved. Yes there will always be one or two negative reviews, after all it is electronics equipment, some duds will be there out of the 10000's that are manufactured.
Nothing to worry about, your graphics settings will not give you a higher resolution option - it will be locked maximum at the monitor resolution you are using, in your case 1920 x 1080. Should you worry? Generally, no. Advise: Get the card that performs well for the monitor resolution you are using. When you upgrade monitor, upgrade your GPU as well. Worry not about "what if's in future". Stick with the plan. Most GPU's stink at 4K right now and this will not change for many years, probably two to three generations. 1440p is cool but somewhat middle ground. Throws up a pleasant image but the most meaningful upgrade from 1080p is 4K. Do it this way, your wallet will thank you.
GPU wise, I would say the 2060 would be a better option for you @ 1080p. Forget about the 6GB VRAM. Some trolls have been spreading garbage that 6GB is not enough for gaming. Shills looking for attention. Taking one or two isolated cases of occurrence and translating to all cases. There may be one or two games where 6GB VRAM is one of many bottlenecks at 4K and it is hardly newsworthy or even a cause for concern. The 6GB VRAM cards, such as GTX 980Ti, GTX 1060, RTX 2060 are hardly the sort of cards one would choose for a 4K gaming PC anyway - they choke for many reasons, 6GB VRAM being the least important of these reasons. At 1080p, not much, bottlenecks elsewhere....
You sound fairly chill about game settings and so on, if you do not mind a few settings at medium or high rather than very high/ultra to get blazing 100fps plus gameplay, you will be set with a RTX2060 and save a bundle. RTX 2070 is a pretty decent card and would be my default recommendation at 1080p/144Hz but the RTX2060 is incredible value and will do a great job if you are not fussy with some settings tweaks.
GTX 1080Ti is a wonderful card but it's price has not moved too much, even used, it will cost near it's MSRP. For 1080p it is a little overkill but I have seen many use the card at that res. GTX 1080/1070Ti are also very good purchases for 1080p. Comes down to cost and the fact that new retail specimens are dissapearing. Go with the RTX2060.
There is no such thing as future proofing ;-)
GTX 1060 is not SLI supported. GTX 1070 is. Most Video Game Titles do not scale well with SLI. You will see a benefit for some titles, most, no benefit or very minor improvement over a stock single card. Get a single GPU, it will save you money and save you having to upgrade your Power Supply.
The drive will outlive it's usefulness for you. Unless you are installing in a server or have it reading and writing 24/7 or running drive eraser software like CC Cleaner more often than you should, the drive will last longer than your CPU or Motherboard will. Of course, be smart - always keep backups. Nothing is foolproof.
MSI have (had) red black themed cards. MSI Radeon RX 580 Gaming X edition I think was the model. Probably discontinued now but you might find it on eBay.
It will ultimately depend on your monitor. Presuming you will not be upgrading the monitor you used for the RX 470, the 1660Ti will serve you well and will offer a nice bump. Just be sure you are not gaming on a 1080p/60Hz monitor, if you are, the 1660Ti will offer little improvement over the RX 470 outside of higher benchmarks / frame count numbers.
Best budget options are the GTX 1060 and GTX 1660 on the Nvidia side, RX 580/590 on AMD side. Most games will have no issue hitting 60fps or better on high/ultra settings. Will need to tweak settings on some titles to run 1440p at 60fps - titles like Final Fantasy XV, Assassins Creed Origins/Odyssey, Metro Exodus and a handful of others. The list of games requiring mixed medium/high settings (or no high settings even) will grow. With this in mind, if budget allows, bump up to the next GPU performance tier, GTX 1660Ti / RTX 2060 on Nvidia Side, Vega 56 on AMD side. Ideally you will want to install a GTX 1080 / RTX 2070 / Vega 64 level GPU, hitting the $450 - $550 price range. This offers the best trade off with performance and cost.
For something along the lines, not an exact clone, but similar design with the sort of attractive features you like then try out this Anidees Case:
It does come with all those RGB fans.
I do not suggest this at all but... A friend of mine liked a case so much he bought the entire prebuild (but in custom options selected the cheapest/lower end parts), gutted the case when he got it, flipped the parts (mobo/cpu/ram etc) on eBay, and then built his PC with the components he liked. Curiously, around two weeks later, he informed me he flipped the parts at profit, i.e. essentially ended up getting the case for free.
Yeah the card is old but still good. Roughly 480/580 performance. In AMD language, a worthwhile upgrade would be Vega 56 or Vega 64. You may as well keep what you have for now, upgrade when you jump resolution to 1440p or 4K or you develop a taste for > 100Hz 1080p gaming, in which case, some other components you may have installed from 2013/14 might need an upgrade as well.
Gaming, about a tie.
Other uses, Ryzen 5 2600X superior, particularly in multi threaded apps.
Price wise, Ryzen 5 2600X slightly cheaper. Cost will be offset in Intel's favor once RAM options are explored.
Get the AMD chip, particularly noting that AM4 support is better.
Ryzen 5 2400g only if your intention is not to buy a GPU.
Yup back to early-mid 00's when AMD were top dog for enthusiasts. Did not last long though, Intel will be back. I am not expecting Zen 2 to be a massive step up on Intel, probably will draw parity or slightly outperform Intel core for core. Main draw really will be price. $250 for an 8 core Ryzen 5 that performs similar to an i9-9900K. This is going to do it, I am not all that excited about AMD's other chips, particularly the ones that peddle more cores - i.e. 12c/24t and 16c/32t.
As for 10nm, Intel been promising this since 2016. R&D theory vs fabrication causing hold up. I work in R&D, par for the course. Promise something, hold ups common.... Intel will release when ready....
Best Bang for Buck (Ranked):
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Winner - Ryzen 5 2600X. Unless you game on a 1080p 165Hz monitor, you will hardly tell a difference.
GTA V and Far Cry 5 should run well on your machine at 1080p. Something might be the issue - your specs are very good for 1080p gaming maybe something up with one of the components. You got 16GB Ram right?
The CPU will throttle performance but not at 60fps or below. Not unless you got some some processes running in background hogging resources (definitely investigate this). You should, in theory, comfortably play GTA V for instance beyond 60fps. Check the CPU and GPU performance when running games. Look for clock speeds, % usage, and so on. I presume you are concerned you are not hitting the appropriate benchmarking targets with your hardware. Perhaps clarify performance concerns.
GTA V has been playable at 1080p since Sandy Bridge and Nvidia Kepler. This is 6 year old plus hardware. Your Ryzen and GTX 1070 should comfortably ease past 60fps.... certainly spec wise a Ryzen 2200g achieves parity or beats the old Sandy Bridge i5 while the GTX 1070 is a god level tier of GPU compared with top tier Kepler, i.e. the GTX 680 for instance. You may have a hardware issue somewhere, something is not working right...
RX 580 will give most mileage. You can go either 4GB or 8GB for 1080p. Some titles will fill up memory more than others, but at 1080p, you should be good with 4GB.
You are finding out just how demanding some modern games can be. Assassin's Creed Odyssey and Metro Exodus run poorly on my hardware as well. i7-7820X, 32GB Ram, Titan XP, games are struggling at 1440p, get fps drops well below 60fps quite often. Even at 1080p, I have seen some fps dumps that go below 60fps. My wife's PC, i7-7700K and GTX1080 cannot run either title at much over 60fps on 1080p, and dips go as low as 20fps.
Not your CPU's fault. Two very fast CPU's are clearly GPU bottlenecked. Sure this would be the case for Ryzen as well.
By all means, for the measly 79.99, I would change the CPU in a heartbeat. 4c/4t vs 6c/12t, no brainer. But you will not see a drastic increase in the fps for the two games you mentioned - they are very demanding and there is not a lot you can do here before seeing diminishing returns. You could perhaps upgrade both your CPU and GPU to a Ryzen 5 + GTX 1080 / RTX 2060 and maybe see a 10fps bump.
Note, it pays to tweak settings in these titles. It does not hurt too much to turn AA off for instance. Drop from highest to medium. This will make the biggest difference to the fps, far more than even an expensive hardware upgrade. Trust me on this. I am amazed the developers managed to get these games playing at 30fps on the consoles.
The Threadripper does not struggle with gaming performance, it is just that one would be absolutely bananas to buy one for the sole purpose of gaming. If you have workloads that would benefit from the extra cores and threads but you also want to game, then this processor will satisfy the "one shoe that fits both feet" itch.
No problem here, good feedback, legit listing. I usually avoid the auctions with zero feedback seller and item for sale far below MSRP. Generally though, eBay strongly favors buyers in buyer-seller disputes.
Me too I love retro builds, it is a trip down memory lane. Heck I would love to see someone recreate my old Windows 98 machine I built in 1999. 3DFX Voodoo 2, Pentium 2, those were the days. Cost a fortune, I worked my butt off as a 17 year old to pay for this rig. Served me well through college as well although it did not take me much beyond my sophomore year before I was off to summer work to pay for a newer Windows XP machine.