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Help building my first PC (for 3D work)

Kimmich40
  • 13 months ago

I'd like to build a PC for designing with 3D and motion graphics. It's going to be mostly for Cinema 4D and After Effects and some Adobe Premiere and Photoshop. I have a budget of about $ 2600.

I don't know a lot about specs which makes it hard to come to a conclusion, I've read that:

  • Animation = single threaded, which needs a single core with high MHz
  • Rendering = multi-threaded and needs many cores

  • Intel = single core based / so for animation?

  • AMD = multi core based / so for rendering?

I do like to do both modeling and rendering, so at the moment this is what I was thinking of getting:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor $308.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler Corsair - H100i v2 70.69 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $179.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard $129.56 @ Amazon
Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $239.99 @ Amazon
Storage Crucial - MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $67.95 @ Amazon
Storage Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $84.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card MSI - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB Video Card $509.00 @ B&H
Case Corsair - Carbide Series 275R (Black w/Tempered Glass) ATX Mid Tower Case $79.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $99.89 @ OutletPC
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full - USB 32/64-bit $179.89 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $1940.04
Mail-in rebates -$60.00
Total $1880.04
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-15 06:19 EST-0500

I do have two compatibility notes which I don't know what to do with:

  • The Corsair - H100i v2 70.69 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard.

  • The motherboard M.2 slot #1 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6.0 Gb/s port is disabled.

Any tips or suggestions are greatly appreciated!

I also came across these two lists on the forum, which is from a thread for a year ago.. so I don't know if it still holds up or there are better suggestions..

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3 GHz 8-Core Processor $168.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler CRYORIG - H7 49 CFM CPU Cooler -
Motherboard MSI - X370 SLI PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard -
Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2800 Memory -
Storage Crucial - MX300 525 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive -
Video Card EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB SC Black Edition Video Card -
Case NZXT - S340 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case Purchased For $109.00
Power Supply EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $99.89 @ OutletPC
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $109.99 @ B&H
Other DELL 29 Ultrawide Monitor $270.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $777.87
Mail-in rebates -$20.00
Total $757.87
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-15 06:19 EST-0500

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Xeon E5-1620 V4 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor $305.95 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler Phanteks - PH-TC12DX 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler -
Motherboard ASRock - X99 WS EATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard -
Memory Crucial - 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory $183.00 @ Amazon
Memory Crucial - 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory $183.00 @ Amazon
Storage Crucial - MX300 275 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive -
Storage Seagate - Constellation ES.3 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $236.65 @ Newegg
Video Card Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB Founders Edition Video Card -
Case Fractal Design - Define XL R2 (Black Pearl) ATX Full Tower Case $148.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $129.89 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $1207.47
Mail-in rebates -$20.00
Total $1187.47
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-15 06:20 EST-0500

Comments

  • 13 months ago
  • 2 points

"The motherboard M.2 slot #1 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6.0 Gb/s port is disabled." The Motherboard manual will tell you which Sata port is disabled when you install an M2 drive (usually Sata # 0), then when you connect your 3.5" HDD and/or 2.5" SSD to the Sata ports, just do not use the Sata port disabled, i.e. use Sata #1, #2 etc instead. This is a normal warning, not to worry.

Build wise, you could roll with Intel's x299 platform. Your $2500 budget would be a little stretched here but for workstation based loads, it is hard to knock the chipset for features and PCIe lanes. The smart money says Ryzen 7 2700X should be where you invest however. When OC'd, it outperforms or draws parity with most 6-10 core Intel chips in pretty much all applications outside of gaming for a lot less money (and even in gaming, Intel's advantage is slight to the point it may as well be negligible).

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks a lot for your comment! Oh okay so nothing to really worry about a lot with that note.

Do you recommend the the Ryzen 7 2700X instead of the Intel i9 9900k? or is mostly because it's cheaper, comes close and that the AMD can still be upgraded in the future?

Also the Intel x299 platform you are talking about, is a "Platform Controller Hub"? So I'd still need a CPU?

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

Thing is, there is not a huge difference in performance between 2700X and 9900K - at least not in a manner that is blatantly obvious in real time. An enthusiast bench-marker may escalate the difference between the chipsets, where under rigorous examination there is no question the 9900K is the better chip over 2700X. However, typically, we use the chips in real world applications, and for the vast majority of worskstation or gaming uses, the 2700X is not found wanting against the 9900K. The 2700X is an extremely potent chip and more than enough for 99.9% of applications out there. Overclocked, the difference between it and stock 9900K is fairly negligible. Enthusiasts may be able to justify spending double the money for a chip offering, at best, a 10% speed improvement over single and multi-core/multi-threaded workloads. For most, the 2700X is the sensible smart money purchase. If budget is tight, it is better to get the 2700X and a better GPU / better RAM than the 9900K trading off for a worse GPU or worse RAM. Expansion/Upgradability regarding CPU chipset should not be a big factor, what you buy mobo wise and cpu wise should have a use that extends between now and 4 years in the future. The introduction of DDR5 RAM in 2020 and widespread adoption by 2022 is going to see many of us move to completely different chipsets in any case. Aim by 2022/2023 you will do your next upgrade.

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you for the in-depth response! So you'd be more inclined to go for this setup:

  • Ryzen 2700x + RTX 2080-Ti + 32GB DDR4-3200 = 1.800 EUR

than a

  • i9 9900k + RTX 2080 - 32GB DDR4-3200 = 1.500 EUR

?

Also do you think the only discussion that should be made is between the 2700x and the i9 9900K? The i7 9700K + i7 8700K should not be considered anymore?

My budget is around 2.800 USD (2500 EUR) and I'd like to keep my PC for at least 5 years or so.. not trying to upgrade it the coming years! :D

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

The i7 9700K and i7 8700K are also excellent chips and more cost effective than the i9-9900K, They are top tier gaming CPU's for sure and if your focus was gaming, then they would be my recommended chips. Workstation CPU's? Yes no question they are pretty good here as well but if you are building a Workstation on a budget, I would think 8c/16t is a better choice. The Ryzen 2700X is cheaper than the Intel i7's and has the cores/threads where it counts. It's only performance competitor is the i9-9900K which is nearly double the price!

Ryzen 2700x + RTX 2080-Ti + 32GB DDR4-3200 = 1.800 EUR

is definitely superior to

i9 9900k + RTX 2080 - 32GB DDR4-3200 = 1.500 EUR

But if you do not need the GPU power, you could replace the RTX 2080 Ti with something lower and save money.

Do not get me wrong though, the i9-9900K is an awesome chip. In the 8 core domain, it is the best of the bunch. But the Ryzen 2700X is not pulling far behind and is much cheaper.

Build and keep what you have until you switch to a platform supporting DDR5. This will not have widespread adoption for quite a number of years yet, what you build will be good for the forseeable future, at least in the 4-5 year pipeline.

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

Both of those bottom lists are outdated, I changed your list up abit https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x26zr6

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you! I see there's a big price different, I assume it's because of the switch in GPU? You suggested the 2070 8 GB GAMING 8G Video Card, should I need two of those? Or does one suffice? In comparison to 1x GeForce GTX 1080, which seems a bit more expensive

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HZ7jMZ I edited the list abit more and managed to fit a 2080 ti in

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  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

Cinema 4D = depends on how you use Cinema 4D. If all you do is modeling and animation then its the fastest single core you can get. If you spend most of your time rendering then more cores the better.

After Effects = To a certain extent, more cores should improve performance. However, After Effects doesn't scale particularly well since version 2015.3 so the number of cores tends to be less important than the speed of each individual core.

Adobe Premiere = Premiere Pro doesn't scale perfectly with higher core counts so extremely high core count systems such as dual Xeon workstations tend to do worse than a single CPU workstation due to their lower per-core performance.

Photoshop = Fast 8 core cpu is the best.

Source for all of this is pugetsystems.

Overall for you i would say the i9 9900k from intel would be the best you can get for your budget.

So for example

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $509.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler Corsair - H115i PRO 55.4 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $131.22 @ Amazon
Motherboard ASRock - Z390 Taichi ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $203.98 @ Newegg
Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $239.99 @ Amazon
Storage Crucial - MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $67.95 @ Amazon
Storage Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $84.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card MSI - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB Video Card $509.00 @ B&H
Case Corsair - Carbide Series 275R (Black w/Tempered Glass) ATX Mid Tower Case $79.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $99.99 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full - USB 32/64-bit $199.89 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $2126.89
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-15 07:18 EST-0500

The motherboard M.2 slot #1 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6.0 Gb/s port is disabled.

It means if you have 1 M.2 sata ssd the motherboard just disables 1 sata 6GB port. Its not a problem thats just how it works.

Now you have $400 left for fluff or maybe a stronger gpu.

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you for the response, I appreciate it! Do you recommend two of those? Or just one? Because I thought about getting one GTX 1080 (since they are expensive I thought about just 1, someone suggested getting 2 used ones though).

As for the CPU, is the i9 9900K so much better than the following CPU's?

  • AMD 2700x
  • I7 8700K
  • I7 9700K

Because I am going to be animating a lot and whatever I animate needs to be rendered on the same PC unfortunately..

thanks again!

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

I see, one strong one is the way to go then, thank you!

Well.. could it be that there are different types of "gtx 1080"?

Because I came across a few different prices:

  • Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB STRIX GAMING Video Card - $1599.99
  • MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB GAMING X Video Card - $1296.83
  • MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB GAMING X 8G Video Card - $689.99
  • MSI GTX 1080 SEA HAWK EK X - $778,12
  • Zotac GeForce GTX 1080 AMP Edition 8GB - $730,15

I see some have 11 GB or 8 GB and the last one doesn't say anything GB related, and I'm not quite sure in which aspect the 11 GB helps. Kind of a noob when it comes to specs!

  • 13 months ago
  • 2 points

Yes there is a difference between the GTX 1080 8GB and GTX 1080 TI 11GB. If you want to know the difference you can always just google the specs.

But Nvidia has released new gpu's called RTX. The RTX 2070 in you list is cheaper and will do very good in the things you are planning to use it for (better then gtx 1080 and comes close to the gtx 1080 ti). The performance charts are in the links i gave you.

The gtx 1080 and gtx 1080 ti are expensive because nvidia doesn't make em anymore. So overpriced and not worth it to buy new unless you can get a good price second hand.

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you! So going by what you said that one strong GPU is better than two mediocre ones. Will one RTX 2070 suffice? Or should I still get two? It's mainly for After Effects and Cinema 4D animations. Because I need a lot of RAM.

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